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can you say my name is Eric Saunders I

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name is Eric sordid and you're listening

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to and Corey chief very good welcome to

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the skeptic zone the podcast from

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Australia for science and reason

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urea hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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hello Richard is def hi Stefan I can't

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believe I'm actually here I'm in the

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free think tank holding doc you are you

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are not come along for the think tank

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but we thought we'd do a quick

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introduction to the show before yes we

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start fantastic to me i'm actually in

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walking among skeptics at the moment as

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you are phenomenally we've got more

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skeptics coming in as your speakers it

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is good they're all gay and teaming into

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the flight aiming into it all fire

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rocket is how folks you're in for a big

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thing a big thing taking a bit later on

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a bit later that's a play right now it's

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the intro so we will go to the skeptics

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are this is shown number 67 40 29th of

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genuine yuri yes indeed january is

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nearly gone ah it's been a big week too

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because we had australia day we did that

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was really really Ozzy were you in

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particularly Australian on Australia Day

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well I stayed in the country you didn't

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that's enough yes very good well that's

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true yeah no I didn't even get drunk or

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anything so i'm actually on a new a new

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detox program called stop drinking are

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you yeah it's phenomenal it's a miracle

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in fact dr. stefan oh yeah we're gonna

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be hearing more about that from you

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later in the show I'm we may live in

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money will so what's happening what's

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happening this wonderful 67 shark we've

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got we're gonna kick off with an

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interview I could get in California with

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Eugenie Scott ah she's a bit of a

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popular 1i absolutely Jimmy's got very

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popular lady course at the National

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Center for Science Education doing her

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best to fight the creationists oh oh

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yeah that's a tough fight that's a very

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tough I because we are actually living

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in creation we are inverted commas

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creation is all around it's all around

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us here can't wait for that Eugenie

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Scott always something good to say

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that's followed by of course dr. Richie

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reports Oh dr. a chi o tea and she's a

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popular she's a fun exciting popular

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girl at the moment lots of news floating

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around dr. H get them i'll get to that

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in the think tank are you

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and and that's followed by of course

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which and you're here for the meeting

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hey Jake I'm actually he yes finally

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people gathering honor the tensions

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mounting it's all here but we should

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actually get a bit of a show underway

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first and then we'll come back for it

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we'll do it we'll do it happen waiter

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eugenie see Scott is an american

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physical anthropologist who has been the

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executive director of the National

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Center for Science Education the NCSE

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since 1987 she is a leading critic of

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young earth creationism and intelligent

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design and I had the pleasure of

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visiting Eugenie at the National Center

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for Science Education in oakland

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california and i'm delighted to say that

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we've come to visit jeanne scott once

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again in open hello Jean hi there now

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this is my third or fourth visit I seem

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to be finding myself here almost every

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year over the years I think that's

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wonderful come back any any chance you

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get I do delighted to see you happy too

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now let's start straight away by

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something that struck me I was just

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looking at your notice board and i saw

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this lovely little booklet called Big

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Daddy with a classic classic as sort of

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a weird a poor chimpanzee eating banana

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big daddy ? my first sword on the wall I

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thought our that's interesting they've

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got a souvenir of the Big Daddy pamphlet

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from the creationists from the 70s which

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is the first time I remember seeing it I

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had a Sunday school teacher in fact it

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was a mad keen creationist and she is

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trying to convince us all she gave me

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this little book but upon further

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examination and I looked at the back

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and that's what caught my eye thought

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Lucy 1970s that doesn't make any sense

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so they're using this tired old

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ridiculous Big Daddy and how the moon's

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missing that's interesting i think the

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original one had the age of the moon in

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it from the 70s well I couldn't tell you

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for sure but you know Lucy goes back to

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the 1970s you you may just be

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misremembering your original exposure to

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this gym here but this is yeah this is

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chick publications Jack T chick the

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proselytizing he pretty much jumped

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years it's a it is indeed one of the

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real classics yeah this this has been

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this has been one of their most popular

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of the creationist line course Jack

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chick has got a whole variety of

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pamphlets on a whole lot of other

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religious themes other than evolution

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course were only interested in

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collecting the evolution ones but yeah

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he's got a whole bunch of anti-catholic

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kinds of stuff yeah it's a pretty it's a

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pretty sobering sight if you go to WWE

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com you must have gotten that domain

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name very early yes that's because

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domain names go he must have snagged

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big daddy but it must have been from the

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those all those years ago had the age of

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the moon as one of the arguments for a

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young earth DC well how do you explain

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whatever it was and the dust arguments

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yes that's one of the classics I don't

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recall whether that was in Big Daddy I'm

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flipping through it right now but yeah

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surpassing in size it's the inspiration

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inspiration oh yes Answers in Genesis

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himself in Kentucky but anyway I CR has

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now grown larger than excuse me Answers

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in Genesis is growing larger than the

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Institute for Creation Research but if

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list of arguments creationist should not

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accurate which of course makes those of

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us train the science just hold our heads

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crazy craziness with with young Earth

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like scientists some of the time you

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know it which is what makes it such a

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fascinating area of sociological area of

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study I mean they'll they'll look at

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arguments like the dust on the moon

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argument or or a historical claim like

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they'll look at the evidence and say

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okay that those are not valid arguments

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should stop using that and yet at the

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basic way of thinking about these issues

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which is the major problem that they

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have which is that you put the revealed

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truth of the Bible first and you look as

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website you look at all of the empirical

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evidence through your biblical glasses

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its agreement with a revealed truth yeah

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and that is the major stumbling block

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in terms of accordance with science so

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they kind of have to get over that first

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before they could really be taken

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seriously as scientists but you know God

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love them every once in a while they

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accidentally do something right like

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like Darwin's deathbed confession should

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be taken off the list of arguments of

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well thank you for that much anyway I

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slightly where he said that and his

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deathbed he wants video cameras and tape

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recorders rolling so no one can come

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back and say you know dork antenna

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deathbed revelation or something look it

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funny Richard does have a sense of humor

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you know but somebody is probably going

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to seal a little puffs of vapour

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somewhere and say AHA the if you want to

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believe in that sort of thing you will

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find some kind of mystical evidence of

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God knows wet who I mean people will

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people will come up for evidence for

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what they want to believe in so somebody

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will probably cut 50 years from now we

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confession or maybe even Scott's

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deathbed confession no sir our Saunders

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deathbed confession who knows what

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they'll be but I have this not 50 years

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I've been 70 but that's closer for me

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and dr. it's also the same accusation if

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that's the right word has been made

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about Carl Sagan that he had a

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conversion on his deathbed it's it's

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it's so very easily learned meme as it

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were mmm there there are some there are

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some ideas that are very easily learned

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and very rapidly spread yeah and that's

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because you can just say it as we were

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discussing before the interview when you

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believe you MSU that's that that would

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we say that a lot about our people we

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battle against especially in the

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skeptical world they can just make stuff

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up mmm the stuff you can read whatever

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its greatest show on earth which I

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style he takes you on these wonderful

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little adventures down evolution and

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it's also it taught me an awful lot

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ending out the process of it and this

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wonderful idea of how important islands

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classic islands in the ocean like the

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Galactica's for example or the tops of

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mountains separated by deep valleys

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which are also islands and things like

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that and on and on it goes so if

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listeners haven't bought themselves a

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copy of the greatest show on earth I can

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thoroughly recommend it I imagine you

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enjoyed it very much very much and as he

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says in the introduction and I had never

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really thought about it this way and so

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that was really fun to read he says you

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know I've never actually sat down and

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written a book about the evidence for

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evolution yeah good idea yes good job

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yeah thanks for doing this and it's a

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very good I'm really I'm really glad he

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did and it's a very nice book for me to

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be able to recommend to people who are

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looking for a very readable and Jerry

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coins book is another very readable nice

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short introduction for people who are

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trying to understand what evolution is

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all about another person who's very good

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at that is Carl Zimmer he's written a

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new it's actually a textbook it's called

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the textbook it'll be marketed as a

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textbook but don't think of it as a text

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book because textbook has the

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connotation of being sort of boring and

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ponderous and this is not Carl Zimmer is

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a wonderful science writer and his book

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is extremely lively and well illustrated

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and it's just you know it's hard to put

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down so there is a number of really good

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books out on the market these days to

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help people understand why evolution is

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so well accepted by the

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to the community and what where the

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evidence comes from yeah yeah and and

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how how abundant that evidence is yes

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and I like the point that Dawkins makes

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in his book that the fossil record is

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it's it's a nice bonus mm-hmm as far as

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the evidence for evolution but it's not

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necessary so when the creationists

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squawk on which they will do to the end

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of time about missing or gaps or

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whatever the missing links gaps in the

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fossil record or whatever it is as far

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as the science goes it's neither here

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nor there actually I have to disagree

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with him on that because um we need all

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of the sources of evidence if we're

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gonna have a complete picture yeah I

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think it's wonderful that we have all

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this molecular evidence but that doesn't

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mean that the fossil evidence is

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obsolete I wonder if that I wonder if

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I've missed a Tuesday no you haven't

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because he was a was almost that that

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forceful in his book and and that's he

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was perhaps making a very useful point

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that we are not dependent upon the

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fossil evidence and that's a very good

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point to make especially with the

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general public which I think doesn't

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understand how how much we can

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supplement our understanding of

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evolution from the study of extent

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organism organism and and actually one

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of periodically people will ask me

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what's the single best source of

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information about evolution and lately

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I've been you know what what you can

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save the fossil record you can say

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genetics you can say they say that but

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lately I've been saying biogeography

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because it it's an area of evidence for

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evolution that most people don't think

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about but it was actually the one that

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Darwin thought was most strong and it

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still is a wonderful wonderful source of

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evidence for evolution because you know

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the distribution of plants and animals

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and their characteristics are the way

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they are because living things descended

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with modification from common ancestors

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but I'm diverging here from the point

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that we were talking about

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the fossil record is a wonderful source

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of information about evolution we are

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not dependent upon it but we there are

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things that we can understand about

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evolution only from the fossil record

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we're not going to find out well let's

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just take an example from the human but

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we're not going to find out when humans

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started using fire from molecules I

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understand yes I mean that's a really

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obvious one and we could come up with

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some other examples yeah okay now no I

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get the point but but be that as it may

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the the wealth of information thats

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hanging richard dawkins what what

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darwin's contemporary Huell called

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concilium the fact that all these

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different lines of evidence all point to

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the same conclusion that living things

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had common ancestors and today we would

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add to the biogeography that darwin

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talked about we would add the

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embryological evidence last night there

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was a wonderful program on the PBS nova

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program about evo-devo only one what

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Darwin didn't know what Darwin didn't

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yeah yeah I said that listed I didn't I

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didn't catch it i alas missed it last

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night i'll have to catch it online

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because we had dinner with some friends

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but the whole nature of understanding

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how it is that have fertilized cell

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becomes an organism and the similarities

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and differences of the genes and the

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patterns of development are the way they

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are because living things shared common

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ancestors I mean that is another insight

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into evolution and you can only

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understand those patterns of development

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if you understand evolution and you can

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only understand evolution if you

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understand those patterns of development

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so there's there's this feedback system

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and what they call evo-devo or evolution

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and development that becomes very clear

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when you when you look at both of these

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fields together so you have biogeography

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you have the field of embryology you

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have all the wonderful understandings we

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have from molecular evolutionary studies

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in comparison and

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comparison of various phylogenies of a

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variety of molecules a variety of

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proteins and enzymes and you know the

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more recently you shared a common

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ancestor the more similar your proteins

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I mean these kinds of patterns are very

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very clear only if evolution has taken

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place m genetics is the way it is

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because of common ancestry you can just

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find pattern after pattern after pattern

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in biology because of evolution yes and

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that is what he will meant by concilium

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that is that is really what Dawkins is

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talking about in his book he makes it's

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interesting he makes a couple the same

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points which is unavoidable I guess as

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he did in the ancestor's tale mmm which

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is a marvelous book too about when you

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go back you find the now what is the

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word he used for the common ancestor of

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two species when you go back in time

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you'll find the one common ancestor you

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can branch that back and back I just

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can't remember the term you used for

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that common ancestor but he talks about

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that in the greatest show on earth of

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course if you go back and you can make a

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u-turn and follow the other branch to

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another species for example with us if

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you go back far enough you'll find the

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common answers the common ancestor

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between us and chimpanzees and if you

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take a u-turn then you follow to the

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chimpanzees so that's a he just writes

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about it in such a readable way so

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easily I easily understood yes and now

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speaking of Darwin's documentaries on

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Darwin recently in Australia there was a

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four or five part of three part i can't

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remember series about the life of

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Charles Darwin which was interspersed

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with scientists commenting I can't

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remember if you were involved with that

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on an exit which was marvelous you know

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all about his life needs discoveries and

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that sort of thing and Wallace came into

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it not all that sort of stuff but I note

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and I was just in borders book shop

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yesterday in berkeley i think or

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downtown san francisco and i was looking

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on the documentary shelf for the dvds

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and there was one about Darwin I thought

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that looks interesting and I flip

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Verna's reading the back and said

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creation ministries what I think you

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know a little bit about this is the one

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that that is on your website about the

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or was it Darwin's I mean listen there

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is a list of creationist movies about

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narrow oh really yeah it's it's hard to

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know where shall we begin was it

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Darwin's dilemma yes okay well there you

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have it so you are asking perhaps about

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the lawsuit well I'm asking about that

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lil so I haven't seen this Darwin's

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dilemma I'm not I don't know too much

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about it you have you seen it I don't

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think I've seen that particular run no

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but I know what it's about because it's

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been making the rounds my colleagues

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have seen it okay um I've been 2009 has

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been a busy year it's been the big

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Darwin years so people literally all

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over the world have been having a lot of

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Darwin conferences and whose programs

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and it's it's been quite wonderful but

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I've had been fortunate enough to been

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invited on a lot of requests for

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Speaking so I've been out of the office

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a lot so yeah i'm a bit behind in a lot

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of these other kinds but you know my

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staff has seen it and so we know what

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it's about one of the main one of the

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main arguments made in this video is

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that the Cambrian explosion is an

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extremely difficult problem for

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evolution to handle that it is this

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insurmountable object for for evolution

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because evolution cannot explain the

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sudden appearance of all of these

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platforms which is a lot of nonsense of

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course MSU as we were saying so um this

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this of course comes as a great surprise

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to paleontologists who considered an

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interesting scientific puzzle but

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certainly not an insurmountable obstacle

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and certainly nothing that would throw

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out the possibility of evolution yeah

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number one there are

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precambrian precursors for this quote

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explosion and as two explosions it's a

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fairly it's an explosion in geological

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terms in the sense that it takes place

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over about you know 10 to 20 million

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years it's kind of a slow fuse for the

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most of us in terms of what we would

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consider an explosion but you know

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whatever it's it is interesting from a

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biological and geological standpoint

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because a lots happening pretty quickly

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and why this is happening is the

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interesting geological and

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paleontological puzzle is it because

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there's more oxygen is because there's

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more predation is it because things are

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forming shells because of greater

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predation I mean there's lots of fun

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stuff that paleontologists are playing

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with you but under no circumstances is

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anybody throwing up their hands and

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dismay and saying oh dear Darwin was

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wrong yes that's it but yeah this is one

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of the one of the melodies that the

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creationist have been playing for

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decades that this is a great problem so

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this movie as well as several other

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presentations of the creationists have

543
00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:09,840
been proposing that the Cambrian

544
00:24:13,460 --> 00:24:11,310
explosion is this insurmountable

545
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:13,470
obstacle might be worth me buying

546
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:14,970
actually because I noticed on the cover

547
00:24:18,380 --> 00:24:16,530
looks like they've got some actor to

548
00:24:21,260 --> 00:24:18,390
play Charles Darwin and it almost looks

549
00:24:23,050 --> 00:24:21,270
like a documentary I suppose it is in a

550
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:23,060
way but it was on the same shot as he

551
00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:26,610
expelled well at least it's in with

552
00:24:32,690 --> 00:24:29,700
birds of a feather that's right so but

553
00:24:34,370 --> 00:24:32,700
that's magic expelled also includes the

554
00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:34,380
idea that the Cambrian explosion is this

555
00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:36,600
great problem for evolution probably I

556
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:38,820
have watched it but I sort of erase it

557
00:24:44,540 --> 00:24:41,370
from my mind but is it's an interesting

558
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:44,550
tech they're taking now to UM to do

559
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:46,440
something like this to create a notice

560
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:50,250
what looks like a historical drama /

561
00:24:57,470 --> 00:24:52,710
documentary about Charles Darwin however

562
00:24:58,850 --> 00:24:57,480
basically bagging what he did well

563
00:25:00,020 --> 00:24:58,860
that's free speech I'm all for free

564
00:25:01,580 --> 00:25:00,030
speech there's one thing I'm a

565
00:25:06,290 --> 00:25:01,590
fundamentalist about it's free speech

566
00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:06,300
they certainly can have the right to to

567
00:25:10,550 --> 00:25:08,220
express their opinions on these matters

568
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:10,560
that's right i mean do you know what we

569
00:25:15,380 --> 00:25:12,330
need is more speech to counter it that's

570
00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:15,390
all and and as was chatting i'm having a

571
00:25:18,620 --> 00:25:16,740
nice cup of coffee from this very

572
00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:18,630
interesting coffee mug that you ver

573
00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:21,030
indeed that i purchased mind you you've

574
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:23,100
purchased it was on sale it's from a

575
00:25:26,750 --> 00:25:24,720
museum i'll have you have you know

576
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,760
listeners so it's very good it's got it

577
00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:28,400
it's from a museum it's got a

578
00:25:32,980 --> 00:25:30,360
triceratops a very nice looking

579
00:25:35,810 --> 00:25:32,990
Triceratops has a wonderful quality

580
00:25:38,510 --> 00:25:35,820
creation museum indeed prepare to

581
00:25:41,630 --> 00:25:38,520
believe Genesis 11 that says and the

582
00:25:44,330 --> 00:25:41,640
riding on it seems to be oh yes let the

583
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:44,340
waters let the God and things endless

584
00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:47,700
bit faint the earth was and the dinosaur

585
00:25:53,540 --> 00:25:50,820
covers up half the words but this is

586
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:53,550
from the creation museum in in Kentucky

587
00:26:01,160 --> 00:25:56,970
and you had a nice time Abbas's unit yes

588
00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:01,170
I visited the creation museum in oak

589
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:05,190
ashwin was that now is that how quickly

590
00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:07,170
they forget you and I guess it was with

591
00:26:14,410 --> 00:26:12,120
the image recently there was a North

592
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:14,420
American paleontological conference

593
00:26:21,260 --> 00:26:18,900
meeting in Cincinnati and one of the

594
00:26:24,130 --> 00:26:21,270
field trips that the organizers of the

595
00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:24,140
conference decided upon was just to go

596
00:26:29,270 --> 00:26:26,460
around the corner so to speak to the

597
00:26:32,660 --> 00:26:29,280
creation museum which was located just

598
00:26:34,790 --> 00:26:32,670
about 15 miles away and so a couple of

599
00:26:36,220 --> 00:26:34,800
busloads of paleontologist showed up at

600
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:36,230
the creation museum and it was a

601
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:39,360
wonderful experience the press loved it

602
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:41,090
by the way you can find plenty of

603
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:44,220
coverage of this because and I was all

604
00:26:47,270 --> 00:26:45,840
for it I thought this was a wonderfully

605
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:47,280
educational experience for the

606
00:26:54,190 --> 00:26:50,130
paleontology because they really need to

607
00:26:56,810 --> 00:26:54,200
see what what was being presented to the

608
00:26:59,030 --> 00:26:56,820
citizens there if I might make a quick

609
00:27:03,380 --> 00:26:59,040
point not to interrupt your flow of

610
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:03,390
conversation the I encourage skeptics to

611
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:06,120
visit for example New Age festivals

612
00:27:09,530 --> 00:27:08,010
right you have to know what I'm talking

613
00:27:10,790 --> 00:27:09,540
about you have to know what the other

614
00:27:13,340 --> 00:27:10,800
people are thinking and what they're

615
00:27:15,380 --> 00:27:13,350
peddling and what they're doing so I

616
00:27:17,390 --> 00:27:15,390
that was a marvelous idea mm-hmm we

617
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:17,400
carry on indeed well there you have it

618
00:27:26,180 --> 00:27:22,049
and I did I bought some books for our

619
00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:26,190
library of course and but I I just had

620
00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:30,030
to buy a mug we we have a quite a quite

621
00:27:35,630 --> 00:27:32,400
a good assortment of of mugs here at NC

622
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:35,640
SC in our kitchen and this one was on

623
00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:37,230
sale it was being remaindered and

624
00:27:40,730 --> 00:27:38,940
clearance so I didn't want to spend

625
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:40,740
whole life yeah that's so i bought a

626
00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:42,450
clearance mug it was quite attractive

627
00:27:46,220 --> 00:27:44,760
it's really not very nice i were kind of

628
00:27:48,919 --> 00:27:46,230
big dinosaur fans around it's a nice

629
00:27:50,659 --> 00:27:48,929
deep much it is indeed it said good

630
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:50,669
quality and a good quality my very good

631
00:27:55,870 --> 00:27:53,850
quality in fact pride of place and what

632
00:27:58,580 --> 00:27:55,880
did you think of the creation you see

633
00:28:01,610 --> 00:27:58,590
well I had a pretty good idea what I was

634
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:01,620
going to see because one of our NCSE

635
00:28:07,730 --> 00:28:04,770
members Stan Phelps had done an

636
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:07,740
exceedingly thorough tour had literally

637
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:10,110
photographed every bit of signage in the

638
00:28:14,899 --> 00:28:12,840
museum he done a fabulous job and every

639
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:14,909
single exhibit and had written up an

640
00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:18,960
extraordinarily detailed tour and had

641
00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:20,400
posted the whole shootin match on her

642
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:23,100
website so I pretty much know what was

643
00:28:30,980 --> 00:28:26,850
there it it's the kind of traditional

644
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:30,990
creation science I knew that it was very

645
00:28:39,970 --> 00:28:34,710
high quality exhibits the animatronic

646
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:39,980
dinosaurs were first rate I mean the

647
00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:43,919
videos that they projected in the video

648
00:28:51,140 --> 00:28:46,200
screening rooms were you know very

649
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:51,150
nicely done there there was a great deal

650
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:54,210
more religious proselytizing that I

651
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:57,600
anticipated I mean I knew that you know

652
00:29:03,740 --> 00:29:00,179
the whole purpose of this museum

653
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:03,750
obviously was to try to bring people to

654
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:05,640
their particular religious perspective

655
00:29:11,180 --> 00:29:07,250
again that's another free speech issue

656
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:11,190
freedom of religion and of course the

657
00:29:16,570 --> 00:29:13,530
the the science is sort of a way of

658
00:29:19,450 --> 00:29:16,580
trying to bring them to that perspective

659
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:19,460
but it was really quite heavy handed

660
00:29:24,430 --> 00:29:22,370
and I think had I been a religious

661
00:29:28,269 --> 00:29:24,440
person I might have been offended in

662
00:29:30,639 --> 00:29:28,279
fact the scientists who were on the trip

663
00:29:34,990 --> 00:29:30,649
who were religious were very offended

664
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:35,000
because their religious views were were

665
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,529
being sometimes directly and certainly

666
00:29:44,019 --> 00:29:41,840
indirectly criticized as not being pure

667
00:29:47,010 --> 00:29:44,029
enough so oh yes yes yes yes I've seen

668
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,020
that before with the relation astir will

669
00:29:53,740 --> 00:29:49,520
insufficiently did not only against

670
00:29:56,169 --> 00:29:53,750
martyr Christians yeah and it was sort

671
00:29:58,810 --> 00:29:56,179
of like you you you really have to heal

672
00:30:00,460 --> 00:29:58,820
very very closely to a a biblical

673
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,470
literalist point of view otherwise you

674
00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:02,720
are not being you know a proper

675
00:30:07,980 --> 00:30:05,929
Christian and as I say the the

676
00:30:13,690 --> 00:30:07,990
scientists who were people of faith who

677
00:30:16,060 --> 00:30:13,700
attended were offended by that and but

678
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:16,070
of course all of the scientists whether

679
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,010
they were religious or non-religious

680
00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:20,960
were affected by the quality of it but

681
00:30:26,769 --> 00:30:22,820
by the distortions of the science that

682
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:26,779
was presented and the idea that I mean

683
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:29,510
these were scientists who had spent

684
00:30:35,380 --> 00:30:32,690
their lives trying very hard to

685
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:35,390
understand nature and it's not easy I

686
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,000
mean I mean Nature doesn't just sit

687
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:40,640
there and say okay here's the answer you

688
00:30:45,870 --> 00:30:43,370
have to in something the cases of these

689
00:30:48,940 --> 00:30:45,880
paleontologists literally dig it out and

690
00:30:51,250 --> 00:30:48,950
you get you go down blind alleys

691
00:30:53,289 --> 00:30:51,260
sometimes and sometimes it's three steps

692
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:53,299
backwards and two steps forward maybe a

693
00:30:57,820 --> 00:30:55,370
step to the side and you kind of muddle

694
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,830
around a bit and sometimes you work for

695
00:31:02,350 --> 00:31:00,080
years before you actually stumble upon

696
00:31:04,210 --> 00:31:02,360
the right answer and and now all of a

697
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:04,220
sudden this is being treated in a very

698
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:08,000
Cavalier fashion yes as if these

699
00:31:12,820 --> 00:31:10,490
conclusions don't really matter because

700
00:31:15,159 --> 00:31:12,830
well after all they don't agree with the

701
00:31:17,260 --> 00:31:15,169
revealed true with these people's

702
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:17,270
interpretation of the revealed truth of

703
00:31:23,139 --> 00:31:20,510
the Bible and I think that was offensive

704
00:31:26,830 --> 00:31:23,149
to every scientist there just the the

705
00:31:30,490 --> 00:31:26,840
general the general putting down of the

706
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:30,500
scientific procedures that resulted in

707
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:33,440
the consensus view that we all held

708
00:31:37,810 --> 00:31:35,360
scientists going there which was yes

709
00:31:39,490 --> 00:31:37,820
there's lots of evidence that living

710
00:31:41,379 --> 00:31:39,500
things that had common ancestors we all

711
00:31:43,690 --> 00:31:41,389
agreed upon that but that was being

712
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,700
totally dismissed from this institution

713
00:31:48,460 --> 00:31:46,399
was there much stifled laughter or just

714
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:48,470
discussed everybody was very polite

715
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,919
everybody was very polite there was a I

716
00:31:57,310 --> 00:31:53,600
mean because there were many other

717
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,320
people there as well and you know all

718
00:32:03,730 --> 00:31:59,600
the paleontologists were and around

719
00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:03,740
their best behavior I think amongst

720
00:32:07,629 --> 00:32:06,169
ourselves and you know if we were the

721
00:32:09,549 --> 00:32:07,639
only people in the room I think there

722
00:32:10,899 --> 00:32:09,559
certainly were some sort of comments to

723
00:32:14,669 --> 00:32:10,909
one another and certain amount of eye

724
00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:14,679
rolling yeah but I didn't see anybody

725
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,779
it's certainly nobody created a fuss or

726
00:32:21,549 --> 00:32:19,519
anything like that nobody nobody had to

727
00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:21,559
be thrown out I mean everybody was

728
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:24,350
behaving properly well that's good um so

729
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:27,200
you found the coffee mug in the gift

730
00:32:31,149 --> 00:32:29,330
shop India oh the gift shop just tell me

731
00:32:34,029 --> 00:32:31,159
about man the gift shop was bigger in my

732
00:32:38,830 --> 00:32:34,039
office I don't mean this little office I

733
00:32:40,779 --> 00:32:38,840
mean my whole life yes it it was really

734
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:40,789
quite quite the place yeah yeah that's

735
00:32:46,629 --> 00:32:44,240
what do they have oh they had it looked

736
00:32:48,580 --> 00:32:46,639
like a big library I mean they had lots

737
00:32:51,879 --> 00:32:48,590
of books they had lots of knickknacks

738
00:32:55,299 --> 00:32:51,889
they have toys they had games they had

739
00:32:58,899 --> 00:32:55,309
videos they had plenty more mugs they

740
00:33:02,289 --> 00:32:58,909
had lots and lots of stuff all kinds of

741
00:33:04,659 --> 00:33:02,299
stuff oh I admitted I was amusing you

742
00:33:07,690 --> 00:33:04,669
could get ties you could get all sorts

743
00:33:12,820 --> 00:33:07,700
of wonderful items I actually ended up

744
00:33:15,610 --> 00:33:12,830
buying a whole sampler a box of books my

745
00:33:18,340 --> 00:33:15,620
my in our archivist was just overjoyed

746
00:33:20,909 --> 00:33:18,350
that we got this whole sampler box of

747
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:20,919
educational materials there yes

748
00:33:26,350 --> 00:33:24,320
creationist I and that would be oh yeah

749
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,360
it's a i'm good i don't buy one of those

750
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:28,399
i've been the last time that has a crop

751
00:33:35,789 --> 00:33:33,519
circles on it ah how wonderful ebay

752
00:33:38,830 --> 00:33:35,799
creationist one would be quite funny

753
00:33:42,190 --> 00:33:38,840
have you seen Richard Dawkins croco duct

754
00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:42,200
I know I well I I haven't actually said

755
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:44,169
this to anyone but when

756
00:33:49,379 --> 00:33:46,450
see Richard was in town i guess it was

757
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:49,389
in october he was doing a fundraiser and

758
00:33:55,499 --> 00:33:51,730
for the foundation and Silicon Valley

759
00:33:59,789 --> 00:33:55,509
and also but he was he had been in

760
00:34:03,899 --> 00:33:59,799
Southern California for the meeting of

761
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:03,909
the AI mean but anyway so he came by and

762
00:34:08,129 --> 00:34:06,159
I had invited him to stop by because I

763
00:34:09,629 --> 00:34:08,139
thought he might like to meet staff and

764
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:09,639
staff could meet him and that would be

765
00:34:15,539 --> 00:34:14,169
fun so he he showed up and I we were

766
00:34:18,089 --> 00:34:15,549
having a staff meeting it and you've

767
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:18,099
seen our our staff table there and I

768
00:34:21,780 --> 00:34:19,510
looked out the door and I said well Oh

769
00:34:24,270 --> 00:34:21,790
in the doorbell rang and I looked out

770
00:34:25,740 --> 00:34:24,280
the window and the door was glass and I

771
00:34:27,569 --> 00:34:25,750
said well there's Richard oh god he's

772
00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:27,579
wearing a horrible-looking died I

773
00:34:31,740 --> 00:34:29,710
couldn't help you know and everybody

774
00:34:34,649 --> 00:34:31,750
laughed and Richard walked in and it was

775
00:34:36,659 --> 00:34:34,659
this god-awful tie was this white tie

776
00:34:38,490 --> 00:34:36,669
and it had these big yellow splotches

777
00:34:40,770 --> 00:34:38,500
all over to thought where I mean

778
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:40,780
ordinarily Richard is just impeccably

779
00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:43,119
dressed he was very nice suits he's very

780
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:44,889
well-groomed and and it was wearing this

781
00:34:49,169 --> 00:34:47,770
god-awful tie and he sat down it when it

782
00:34:51,180 --> 00:34:49,179
got close enough it and we all just

783
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:51,190
roared because of this croco death tie

784
00:34:54,690 --> 00:34:52,690
it was hysterically funny well

785
00:34:58,530 --> 00:34:54,700
apparently there's only two croco duck

786
00:35:00,120 --> 00:34:58,540
ties in the universe who the good old

787
00:35:03,210 --> 00:35:00,130
internet again apparently you can you

788
00:35:04,530 --> 00:35:03,220
can give a pattern to some company on

789
00:35:06,539 --> 00:35:04,540
the internet and they will make you a

790
00:35:10,740 --> 00:35:06,549
custom tie and there's apparently only

791
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:10,750
two and PZ Myers has one and richard has

792
00:35:17,069 --> 00:35:13,690
one but really you only want to wear

793
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,079
them among friends really an absolutely

794
00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:19,119
horrible looking tie in terms of

795
00:35:23,789 --> 00:35:21,849
anything but it's the wonderful Crocodoc

796
00:35:28,049 --> 00:35:23,799
with the that they're really nicely

797
00:35:30,569 --> 00:35:28,059
drawn one with the the worthy the scales

798
00:35:32,430 --> 00:35:30,579
of the crocodile hill had really blend

799
00:35:34,260 --> 00:35:32,440
nicely into the body of the doc they're

800
00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:34,270
really high quality one excellent

801
00:35:38,339 --> 00:35:36,910
excellent art I'm just have myself I can

802
00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:38,349
find a picture that that sounds

803
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:41,470
fantastic but this was pretty funny but

804
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:43,490
I quite like your you

805
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:46,850
logo oh yes change i'm not sure we do we

806
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:49,010
do with the since your last visit that's

807
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:51,050
Jess your change you know it was changed

808
00:35:54,430 --> 00:35:52,130
or something because I noticed when we

809
00:35:56,650 --> 00:35:54,440
came to the door there cranked we

810
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:56,660
changed our logo it was just about a

811
00:36:01,210 --> 00:35:59,119
year ago when we changed our website and

812
00:36:04,530 --> 00:36:01,220
and we sort of you know I thought is

813
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:04,540
very soon yeah yeah our website needed a

814
00:36:13,810 --> 00:36:11,510
as one of my under 20 staff members said

815
00:36:15,460 --> 00:36:13,820
you know when we started this process

816
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:15,470
about two years ago she said you know

817
00:36:27,580 --> 00:36:25,010
our website is so 1990s okay well and

818
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:27,590
yes yes I understood what that meant so

819
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:31,490
so we we did indeed have to our website

820
00:36:36,730 --> 00:36:33,710
really needed a facelift and it needed

821
00:36:38,770 --> 00:36:36,740
refreshing and it needed some some back

822
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:38,780
door plumbing that to make it more

823
00:36:49,450 --> 00:36:46,330
usable and so we we we hired a designer

824
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:49,460
who just did a wonderful wonderful job

825
00:36:54,970 --> 00:36:52,880
and we it took a long time to really

826
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:54,980
think through how we wanted to redesign

827
00:36:59,920 --> 00:36:57,890
it and reorganize it and then as part of

828
00:37:01,660 --> 00:36:59,930
that of course we we'd been thinking for

829
00:37:04,540 --> 00:37:01,670
a long time that we needed a new logo

830
00:37:06,820 --> 00:37:04,550
because nobody could really identify the

831
00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:06,830
old you know sort of squash spider that

832
00:37:14,050 --> 00:37:09,470
we had there didn't and so we actually

833
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:14,060
had a contest to suggest a new logo and

834
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:15,890
we we suggested something having to do

835
00:37:22,180 --> 00:37:17,810
with trees because evolution is all

836
00:37:25,210 --> 00:37:22,190
about trees of course right and that the

837
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:25,220
did you extra gold star if you recognize

838
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:29,570
our logo directly yes did our logo speak

839
00:37:34,780 --> 00:37:32,690
to you my friend oh I'm going to miss

840
00:37:36,490 --> 00:37:34,790
out on that gold star naughty in the

841
00:37:39,970 --> 00:37:36,500
gold star where's that where is it let

842
00:37:41,740 --> 00:37:39,980
me well let's see I can provide that too

843
00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:41,750
pretty quick oops that's the old one no

844
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:43,550
the old 1s the old man you saw a bit

845
00:37:48,940 --> 00:37:46,970
there we go tada oh my gosh no I take

846
00:37:54,099 --> 00:37:48,950
out your glasses let's have a look all

847
00:37:55,930 --> 00:37:54,109
right he's looking now that I'm very

848
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:55,940
kiss telling it very careful to see the

849
00:38:06,010 --> 00:37:56,930
tree

850
00:38:07,630 --> 00:38:06,020
special year I'm giving him lots of

851
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:07,640
hints you you are giving me lots of him

852
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:09,650
I'm gonna have to have is a very special

853
00:38:14,049 --> 00:38:11,930
year because I a particularly important

854
00:38:17,950 --> 00:38:14,059
person was born two hundred years well

855
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:17,960
I'm gathering that but I'm so funny that

856
00:38:22,750 --> 00:38:19,760
you left it you have to that was the

857
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:22,760
first tree so to speak that was the

858
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:25,910
sketch of a tree that Darwin sketched

859
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:29,930
out in one of his early notebooks of

860
00:38:36,370 --> 00:38:32,569
course yeah not regulation will give you

861
00:38:38,829 --> 00:38:36,380
a Silver Star I guess a slightly aki

862
00:38:40,990 --> 00:38:38,839
mechanic it's a slightly stylized

863
00:38:44,309 --> 00:38:41,000
version of it but it's it's basically

864
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:44,319
darwin by striking i quite like it yeah

865
00:38:50,890 --> 00:38:46,130
National Center for Science Education

866
00:38:53,049 --> 00:38:50,900
and the website of course is wwan SI SE

867
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:53,059
kaam which is very easy to remember

868
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:55,609
indeed although i've seem to have

869
00:39:00,819 --> 00:38:58,640
trouble her memory chip um now you're

870
00:39:06,849 --> 00:39:00,829
the National Center for Science

871
00:39:11,770 --> 00:39:06,859
Education is how old don't well we were

872
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:11,780
incorporated in 1983 okay and I've been

873
00:39:19,180 --> 00:39:14,930
the director since 1987 and how is the

874
00:39:21,099 --> 00:39:19,190
last year fed for the the center well it

875
00:39:24,370 --> 00:39:21,109
were a nonprofit organization so that

876
00:39:27,309 --> 00:39:24,380
means every year we have to you know we

877
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:27,319
we have to raise money so you can join

878
00:39:35,770 --> 00:39:33,049
online at that ends ESET com site that's

879
00:39:38,049 --> 00:39:35,780
the one but as far as your activities go

880
00:39:40,750 --> 00:39:38,059
and your outreach in your battles hasn't

881
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:40,760
been a good year well a good year would

882
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:42,650
be no activity at all so in that sense

883
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:44,089
it hasn't been a good year we've been

884
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:47,930
very busy next year actually it's coming

885
00:39:52,299 --> 00:39:50,450
to January which in the United States is

886
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:52,309
the beginning of the legislative season

887
00:39:57,370 --> 00:39:54,890
the state legislatures are going to be

888
00:40:00,039 --> 00:39:57,380
coming into session again we anticipate

889
00:40:01,420 --> 00:40:00,049
a number of bills will be filed we some

890
00:40:04,510 --> 00:40:01,430
have already been pre-filed that we're

891
00:40:07,539 --> 00:40:04,520
watching to propose what are called

892
00:40:10,510 --> 00:40:07,549
academic freedom was academic freedom

893
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:10,520
acts and these are laws that attempt to

894
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,730
burr

895
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:13,280
in creationism enter the back door they

896
00:40:18,099 --> 00:40:15,710
don't know very sneaky region us aren't

897
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,109
stupid you know and and they learned

898
00:40:22,090 --> 00:40:20,480
long ago that you can't bring

899
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:22,100
creationism in through the front door

900
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:26,000
you can't because of our legal our First

901
00:40:31,570 --> 00:40:28,250
Amendment separating church and state

902
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:31,580
you can't you can't promote religion

903
00:40:37,180 --> 00:40:35,090
directly in the schools you have to be

904
00:40:39,849 --> 00:40:37,190
religiously neutral in a public school

905
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:39,859
so you can't bring in creationism or

906
00:40:45,730 --> 00:40:43,490
intelligent design so what they try to

907
00:40:49,090 --> 00:40:45,740
do is bring in through these academic

908
00:40:55,330 --> 00:40:49,100
freedom X bring in all the explanations

909
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:55,340
or particularly interesting with some of

910
00:41:00,599 --> 00:40:57,650
these academic freedom acts the argument

911
00:41:03,580 --> 00:41:00,609
is being made to just attack evolution

912
00:41:05,740 --> 00:41:03,590
so you bring in the strengths and

913
00:41:08,590 --> 00:41:05,750
weaknesses of evolution or a critical

914
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:08,600
analysis of evolution or there's a whole

915
00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:10,730
list of euphemisms that they use for

916
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:13,880
this sort of thing and of course if you

917
00:41:17,590 --> 00:41:16,130
go to the science community and they say

918
00:41:20,590 --> 00:41:17,600
well can I please have the list of

919
00:41:23,020 --> 00:41:20,600
arguments against evolution there aren't

920
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:23,030
any and the only place where you find

921
00:41:26,770 --> 00:41:25,010
that the strengths and weaknesses of

922
00:41:30,940 --> 00:41:26,780
evolutionism from the creationists of

923
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,950
course so this is a restful for this

924
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:32,960
they all teach both sides always the

925
00:41:38,290 --> 00:41:35,810
balance or this side note it's it's yeah

926
00:41:42,010 --> 00:41:38,300
it's a very common and a very attractive

927
00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:42,020
finish it sounds famous its fairness is

928
00:41:46,540 --> 00:41:44,150
a is always sells very well in

929
00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:46,550
democratic countries yes and you know

930
00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:50,390
i'm all for fairness but what is fair is

931
00:41:54,910 --> 00:41:52,670
for the creationist to demonstrate

932
00:41:57,130 --> 00:41:54,920
they've actually got a science and then

933
00:42:01,540 --> 00:41:57,140
they have a right to be taught but it's

934
00:42:03,609 --> 00:42:01,550
not fair for them to argue that they

935
00:42:05,950 --> 00:42:03,619
have a right to be taught without making

936
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:05,960
that demonstration first and they have

937
00:42:11,170 --> 00:42:08,240
not demonstrated that they have a way of

938
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:11,180
understanding nature hmm and until they

939
00:42:15,730 --> 00:42:12,850
do they don't have a right to be taught

940
00:42:17,290 --> 00:42:15,740
as long as as long as there's the

941
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:17,300
national scent of science education

942
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:17,930
people

943
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:20,240
Eugenie Scott out there batting for our

944
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,450
side so to speak with our allies yeah

945
00:42:26,770 --> 00:42:25,280
it's giving them a hard time I think we

946
00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:26,780
can all rest a little bit at night but

947
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:29,750
the fight certainly goes on well it's

948
00:42:34,359 --> 00:42:32,210
like the Red Queen we are running as

949
00:42:36,670 --> 00:42:34,369
hard as we can to stay just a little bit

950
00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:36,680
ahead Gina Scott thank you very much

951
00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:38,900
thank you it's always a lot of fun to

952
00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:54,470
talk to hi I'm dr. Stefan Soyka from the

953
00:42:58,839 --> 00:42:56,569
MIT of vibrational galactic atomic

954
00:43:01,180 --> 00:42:58,849
health institute for applied wellness

955
00:43:03,609 --> 00:43:01,190
and I'm here to tell you about what is

956
00:43:06,010 --> 00:43:03,619
probably the greatest medical discovery

957
00:43:08,349 --> 00:43:06,020
to have manifested in any of the lower

958
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:08,359
five or six dimensions since the dawn of

959
00:43:15,220 --> 00:43:11,510
the first astrological age introducing

960
00:43:18,010 --> 00:43:15,230
the life wire the life wire is nothing

961
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:18,020
less than a miracle in metaphysical form

962
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:20,690
attracting health akala T and will being

963
00:43:24,609 --> 00:43:22,970
issued from every known point in the

964
00:43:27,099 --> 00:43:24,619
universe where health akala tea and

965
00:43:30,099 --> 00:43:27,109
well-being itude resides and delivering

966
00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:30,109
it straight to your body and soul the

967
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:32,329
life wire harnesses scalar energy

968
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:35,210
quantum energy solar energy and

969
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:37,970
masculine bovine fecal energy in an

970
00:43:42,910 --> 00:43:39,890
advanced highly complex and

971
00:43:45,490 --> 00:43:42,920
incredulously simple process using a

972
00:43:47,799 --> 00:43:45,500
meticulously contrived blend of carbon

973
00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:47,809
and iron the carbonic and ironic

974
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,510
particles resonate and vibrate to the

975
00:43:55,390 --> 00:43:52,880
atomic frequency bestowed upon them by

976
00:43:58,510 --> 00:43:55,400
the universe rendering the entire life

977
00:44:01,359 --> 00:43:58,520
wire construct a healing wand talisman

978
00:44:03,970 --> 00:44:01,369
charm or totem the life wire has been

979
00:44:06,609 --> 00:44:03,980
lovingly forged in China where the wire

980
00:44:09,309 --> 00:44:06,619
is set into its initial physical state

981
00:44:11,980 --> 00:44:09,319
by adherence of Confucianism Taoism

982
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:11,990
Buddhism and Zoroastrianism a physical

983
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:14,210
state that to the uneducated looks a lot

984
00:44:18,339 --> 00:44:16,609
like a paperclip the employees at our

985
00:44:21,339 --> 00:44:18,349
factory are paid as little as possible

986
00:44:23,140 --> 00:44:21,349
to ensure the philosophical purity of

987
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:23,150
the life wire and that it is not

988
00:44:27,130 --> 00:44:25,250
tarnished by the material desires of

989
00:44:29,319 --> 00:44:27,140
those who are blessed with a privilege

990
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:29,329
of bending the life wire into its phase

991
00:44:32,590 --> 00:44:30,170
one

992
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:32,600
Eagle Forum in phase two the life were

993
00:44:37,570 --> 00:44:35,090
embarked on an odyssey traversing the

994
00:44:40,210 --> 00:44:37,580
globe initially in the back of a hiace

995
00:44:41,860 --> 00:44:40,220
van from Chizu in the Ann Hui province

996
00:44:44,020 --> 00:44:41,870
then into a shipping container in

997
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,030
Shenzhen loaded onto a Norwegian

998
00:44:48,670 --> 00:44:46,160
registered cargo ship bound for Sydney

999
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:48,680
Australia for its entire journey the

1000
00:44:53,530 --> 00:44:50,930
life wire not only picks up the Earth's

1001
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:53,540
magnetic resonance but many powerful

1002
00:44:57,940 --> 00:44:55,730
properties and ancient race memories

1003
00:44:59,790 --> 00:44:57,950
collected via the belief systems of the

1004
00:45:02,710 --> 00:44:59,800
Filipino merchant seaman on board

1005
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:02,720
Catholicism egli pianism iglesia ni

1006
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:05,450
cristo ism and animism much like a metal

1007
00:45:10,570 --> 00:45:08,240
detector picks up gold on a beach phase

1008
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:10,580
3 the life wire is hurled into the back

1009
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,410
of a fedex pan by the Box load and

1010
00:45:16,330 --> 00:45:14,480
delivered using global positioning

1011
00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:16,340
system technology to the meta

1012
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:18,110
vibrational galactic atomic Health

1013
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:20,330
Institute for applied will illness it is

1014
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:22,490
right here at the Institute where each

1015
00:45:27,370 --> 00:45:25,130
life wire is individually processed and

1016
00:45:29,770 --> 00:45:27,380
charged with its infinite healing power

1017
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:29,780
the final shape shifting of the physical

1018
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:31,970
life wire form is done by innocent

1019
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:34,130
children to guarantee you absolute

1020
00:45:39,310 --> 00:45:36,770
healing purity my nephew's unbend the

1021
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:39,320
life wire into a four-sided obelisk I'd

1022
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:41,570
structure with the two ends not quite

1023
00:45:47,140 --> 00:45:44,330
meeting this unfinished loop is the life

1024
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:47,150
wise secret the two ends so much want to

1025
00:45:51,130 --> 00:45:48,710
touch each other that they channel

1026
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:51,140
infinite energy in their infinite desire

1027
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:53,450
to connect this longing is the same

1028
00:45:57,820 --> 00:45:55,310
longing that a mother feels for a lost

1029
00:45:59,890 --> 00:45:57,830
child a galaxy feels for its black hole

1030
00:46:02,050 --> 00:45:59,900
a methamphetamine addict hangs out for

1031
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,060
grammar vice and your body yearns for

1032
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:04,880
wellbeing ification and infinite pining

1033
00:46:09,850 --> 00:46:07,130
that both you and the live wires share

1034
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:09,860
which is why you need to be together for

1035
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:13,040
just 79 dollars 95 lat can be yours

1036
00:46:17,770 --> 00:46:15,650
channeling your every need and taking

1037
00:46:20,140 --> 00:46:17,780
the responsibility for everything you do

1038
00:46:22,450 --> 00:46:20,150
for you place one in your wallet to

1039
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:22,460
attract wealth another on your computer

1040
00:46:27,070 --> 00:46:24,890
to stop spam and so another into your

1041
00:46:31,570 --> 00:46:27,080
underpants for more intense sexual

1042
00:46:33,490 --> 00:46:31,580
gratification and fertility every $79.95

1043
00:46:34,930 --> 00:46:33,500
vibrational galactic atomic health

1044
00:46:37,150 --> 00:46:34,940
institute for applied wellness is

1045
00:46:39,250 --> 00:46:37,160
another touch point in a spacetime

1046
00:46:40,210 --> 00:46:39,260
continuum and another opportunity for

1047
00:46:42,849 --> 00:46:40,220
you to matter

1048
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:42,859
the sum total of energy in the entire

1049
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:46,160
universe in every cell of your body why

1050
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:49,010
I transfer me your money and life wire

1051
00:46:53,950 --> 00:46:51,890
will transfer everything and by scalar

1052
00:47:01,780 --> 00:46:53,960
zero-point energy theory that means

1053
00:47:07,020 --> 00:47:01,790
nothing to you now it's time for dr.

1054
00:47:12,130 --> 00:47:09,550
hello listeners and welcome to dr.

1055
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,140
Richie reports this week I tell you a

1056
00:47:18,370 --> 00:47:14,720
tale of blue-green algae attacking Birds

1057
00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:18,380
Hollywood and dementia now many

1058
00:47:21,580 --> 00:47:20,180
listeners especially our Australian

1059
00:47:24,670 --> 00:47:21,590
listeners would be familiar with

1060
00:47:26,650 --> 00:47:24,680
blue-green algae in particular if you

1061
00:47:28,750 --> 00:47:26,660
have spent any time in South Australia

1062
00:47:30,910 --> 00:47:28,760
you may recall periodic government

1063
00:47:33,130 --> 00:47:30,920
alerts warning against drinking the

1064
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:33,140
water or using it for recreation during

1065
00:47:38,830 --> 00:47:36,290
outbreaks our breaks are known as blooms

1066
00:47:41,290 --> 00:47:38,840
and they describe an increase in the

1067
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:41,300
number of algal cells to a point where

1068
00:47:46,450 --> 00:47:43,490
they can discolor the water produce

1069
00:47:48,430 --> 00:47:46,460
unpleasant tastes and odors affect

1070
00:47:52,329 --> 00:47:48,440
shellfish and fish populations and

1071
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:52,339
seriously reduce the water quality since

1072
00:47:57,099 --> 00:47:54,800
many types of algae produce toxins they

1073
00:47:58,690 --> 00:47:57,109
can also make you very sick and have

1074
00:48:02,800 --> 00:47:58,700
been responsible for the deaths of

1075
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:02,810
livestock and marine species blue-green

1076
00:48:08,170 --> 00:48:05,810
algae is also known as cyanobacteria and

1077
00:48:10,750 --> 00:48:08,180
they are in fact photosynthesizing

1078
00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:10,760
bacteria which are green when they're

1079
00:48:16,690 --> 00:48:13,400
metabolizing and growing and turn bluish

1080
00:48:18,579 --> 00:48:16,700
when they are dying algal blooms occur

1081
00:48:21,220 --> 00:48:18,589
in all types of waterways and water

1082
00:48:24,550 --> 00:48:21,230
storages and bloom when nutrients and

1083
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:24,560
light are high whilst not all species

1084
00:48:29,230 --> 00:48:26,930
which make up algal blooms are toxic

1085
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:29,240
there is no way to know until you test

1086
00:48:35,470 --> 00:48:33,200
them so it is best to steer clear also

1087
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,480
toxicity varies with the seasons and

1088
00:48:41,859 --> 00:48:38,240
environmental conditions the toxins

1089
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:41,869
including domoic acid and B maae which

1090
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:44,240
is a neurotoxin are released as the

1091
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:46,810
bloom dies and the cells become leaky

1092
00:48:51,579 --> 00:48:49,369
domoic acid has been implicated in

1093
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:51,589
serious food poisonings and even deaths

1094
00:48:56,260 --> 00:48:52,770
associated

1095
00:48:58,100 --> 00:48:56,270
shellfish poisoning and BMAA in

1096
00:49:01,660 --> 00:48:58,110
neurodegeneration such as Alzheimer's

1097
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:01,670
disease Lou Gehrig's disease or ALS in

1098
00:49:06,530 --> 00:49:04,530
Australia toxicity associated with

1099
00:49:09,740 --> 00:49:06,540
blue-green algae has been documented as

1100
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:09,750
far back as the 1850s were accounts by

1101
00:49:14,210 --> 00:49:12,090
European explorers and settlers contain

1102
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:14,220
numerous references to scums or

1103
00:49:19,010 --> 00:49:17,010
discolored water the earliest documented

1104
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:19,020
scientific evidence was published in

1105
00:49:25,010 --> 00:49:22,050
nature in 1878 in a paper called

1106
00:49:27,110 --> 00:49:25,020
poisonous australian lake the report

1107
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:27,120
described a bloom floated to the lake

1108
00:49:32,530 --> 00:49:29,250
surface and was wafting to Lee Shores

1109
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:32,540
forming a scum two to six inches thick

1110
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:35,250
large numbers of livestock ingested the

1111
00:49:40,820 --> 00:49:37,770
scum via drinking including horses sheep

1112
00:49:43,850 --> 00:49:40,830
and cattle and later died and one woman

1113
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:43,860
became seriously ill the deaths and

1114
00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:46,290
publication of the nature paper created

1115
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:47,910
a heightened awareness amongst the

1116
00:49:52,430 --> 00:49:50,490
public leading to warnings and police

1117
00:49:54,590 --> 00:49:52,440
troopers stationed at various points

1118
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:54,600
along water bodies to warn of

1119
00:49:59,660 --> 00:49:58,050
approaching blooms but in Australia in

1120
00:50:02,810 --> 00:49:59,670
the summer of nineteen ninety one in

1121
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:02,820
1992 an enormous bloom occurred in the

1122
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:04,770
barwon darling river system in New South

1123
00:50:09,650 --> 00:50:07,680
Wales this bloom spread over an area

1124
00:50:12,260 --> 00:50:09,660
spanning a thousand kilometres and

1125
00:50:14,780 --> 00:50:12,270
remains today the world's largest algal

1126
00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:14,790
bloom but it's not only livestock and

1127
00:50:19,820 --> 00:50:16,740
humans who are at risk of illness when

1128
00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:19,830
exposed to algal blooms a very famous

1129
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:22,260
case of sea life allegedly falling

1130
00:50:28,940 --> 00:50:24,810
victim to poisoning from algae occurred

1131
00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:28,950
in California USA in the early hours of

1132
00:50:36,050 --> 00:50:33,780
August 17 1961 residents of Santa Cruz

1133
00:50:38,660 --> 00:50:36,060
were invaded by a massive flight of

1134
00:50:41,050 --> 00:50:38,670
shearwaters slamming into their

1135
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:41,060
homes and littering the streets in town

1136
00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:44,130
the santa cruz sentinel reported the

1137
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:46,560
incident under the headline seabird

1138
00:50:52,270 --> 00:50:49,980
invasion hits coastal homes when the

1139
00:50:54,530 --> 00:50:52,280
light of day made the area visible

1140
00:50:57,500 --> 00:50:54,540
residents found the street covered with

1141
00:50:59,720 --> 00:50:57,510
birds the birds disgorged bits of fish

1142
00:51:01,940 --> 00:50:59,730
and fish skeletons over the streets and

1143
00:51:04,820 --> 00:51:01,950
lawns and housetops living an

1144
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,830
overpowering fishy stench several

1145
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:06,480
theories exist as to the cause

1146
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,250
of this mass destruction and death of

1147
00:51:12,890 --> 00:51:11,040
seabirds the first explanation was

1148
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:12,900
offered at the time of the incident by

1149
00:51:18,290 --> 00:51:15,000
museum zoologist from the University of

1150
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:18,300
California Ward Russell who proposed

1151
00:51:22,550 --> 00:51:19,890
that the birds were disturbed whilst

1152
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,560
feeding became disorientated in heavy

1153
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,480
fog that layered the coast that morning

1154
00:51:28,820 --> 00:51:26,880
and headed for the light of the town

1155
00:51:32,780 --> 00:51:28,830
including tortures held by curious

1156
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:32,790
residents thus appearing to attack but

1157
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:34,770
scientists now speculate that ingestion

1158
00:51:40,610 --> 00:51:38,000
of toxic algae may have played a role

1159
00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:40,620
what is known is that the incident

1160
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:42,900
sparked the interest of an author across

1161
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:45,330
the globe in Cornwall England whom

1162
00:51:50,270 --> 00:51:48,570
several years earlier in 1952 had also

1163
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:50,280
been attacked by birds but in a very

1164
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:53,760
different scenario in an autobiography

1165
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:56,490
of author Daphne du Mario called the

1166
00:52:01,070 --> 00:51:58,050
private world of Daphne du Maurier

1167
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:01,080
author Martin Shawcross describes

1168
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:03,090
demario was walking her dog by a lake

1169
00:52:07,850 --> 00:52:05,490
when two hungry seagulls attacked her

1170
00:52:11,060 --> 00:52:07,860
dog than her forcing her to seek shelter

1171
00:52:14,750 --> 00:52:11,070
under nearby tree the result was the

1172
00:52:18,590 --> 00:52:14,760
1952 short story the birds four days

1173
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:18,600
after the 1961 shearwater incident

1174
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:21,090
in Santa Cruz the Santa Cruz Sentinel

1175
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:23,940
had another story to report Hollywood

1176
00:52:28,850 --> 00:52:26,130
mystery producer Alfred Hitchcock phoned

1177
00:52:30,590 --> 00:52:28,860
the Sentinel Saturday to let us know he

1178
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:30,600
is using last Friday's edition as

1179
00:52:35,540 --> 00:52:32,640
research material for his latest

1180
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:35,550
thriller apparently the movie version of

1181
00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:37,260
Demaryius book was already underway

1182
00:52:41,660 --> 00:52:39,960
under the supervision of Hitchcock but

1183
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:41,670
the Santa Cruz incident may have

1184
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:43,770
inspired him to change the location from

1185
00:52:50,030 --> 00:52:46,170
the quaint hills of Cornwall England to

1186
00:52:52,940 --> 00:52:50,040
Bodega Bay California where his 1963 the

1187
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:52,950
birds thriller was eventually set so we

1188
00:52:56,900 --> 00:52:54,810
now know that blue-green algae can be

1189
00:53:00,290 --> 00:52:56,910
toxic to both humans and animals and in

1190
00:53:02,380 --> 00:53:00,300
some cases fatally sure it's natural but

1191
00:53:04,820 --> 00:53:02,390
this doesn't necessarily make it safe

1192
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:04,830
cyanide is derived from the kernels of

1193
00:53:10,250 --> 00:53:07,260
apricots it's completely natural but it

1194
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:10,260
will kill you the Ebola virus is also

1195
00:53:13,940 --> 00:53:11,700
natural but you will suffer an

1196
00:53:17,810 --> 00:53:13,950
excruciating death as your organs slough

1197
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:17,820
out your orifices so as such it puzzles

1198
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,240
me that you can buy cyanobacteria from

1199
00:53:26,730 --> 00:53:22,640
your local health food store in a powder

1200
00:53:29,350 --> 00:53:26,740
or tablet and marketed as spirulina

1201
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:29,360
touted as a hundred percent pure and

1202
00:53:34,570 --> 00:53:32,510
natural nature's superfood and totally

1203
00:53:37,420 --> 00:53:34,580
natural product spirulina is

1204
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:37,430
nevertheless blue-green algae meaning

1205
00:53:42,820 --> 00:53:40,850
contamination with BMAA domoic acid and

1206
00:53:46,510 --> 00:53:42,830
other toxins cannot be completely

1207
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:46,520
discounted following the publishing of a

1208
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:49,810
paper from the group of Paul Cox in 2005

1209
00:53:56,290 --> 00:53:52,880
which reported 30 types of cyanobacteria

1210
00:53:58,660 --> 00:53:56,300
were contaminated with BMAA the

1211
00:54:01,120 --> 00:53:58,670
spirulina industry went into overdrive

1212
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:01,130
to ensure their customers that their

1213
00:54:06,910 --> 00:54:04,010
products were safe several issued press

1214
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:06,920
releases emphasizing correctly that the

1215
00:54:13,110 --> 00:54:10,640
Cox paper did not test spirulina one

1216
00:54:16,330 --> 00:54:13,120
company called cyano tech corporation

1217
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:16,340
apparently approached Cox to test their

1218
00:54:21,550 --> 00:54:19,310
spirulina for BMAA to which they say he

1219
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:21,560
did not respond the company then

1220
00:54:26,260 --> 00:54:23,570
enlisted the services of another

1221
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:26,270
professor of Biological Sciences to test

1222
00:54:32,170 --> 00:54:30,110
their BMAA professor Carmichael reported

1223
00:54:34,450 --> 00:54:32,180
his findings confirming the absence of

1224
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:34,460
detectable levels of the suspected

1225
00:54:40,180 --> 00:54:37,280
neurotoxin BMAA in cyano Tech's

1226
00:54:42,340 --> 00:54:40,190
spirulina specific up this is good news

1227
00:54:45,010 --> 00:54:42,350
for this batch of spirulina and for this

1228
00:54:47,970 --> 00:54:45,020
company but what about other producers

1229
00:54:50,860 --> 00:54:47,980
of spirulina as discussed earlier

1230
00:54:53,650 --> 00:54:50,870
biological variability dictate that

1231
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,660
levels of toxins synthesized by

1232
00:54:57,940 --> 00:54:55,760
cyanobacteria are different from season

1233
00:55:00,340 --> 00:54:57,950
to season for some of their lifetime

1234
00:55:03,940 --> 00:55:00,350
blue-green algae may have no toxins

1235
00:55:06,430 --> 00:55:03,950
other times large quantities if I was a

1236
00:55:09,490 --> 00:55:06,440
consumer of spirulina I would want every

1237
00:55:11,170 --> 00:55:09,500
batch tested before I took it in another

1238
00:55:14,290 --> 00:55:11,180
press release from Earth rise

1239
00:55:16,450 --> 00:55:14,300
nutritional they stated it should also

1240
00:55:19,420 --> 00:55:16,460
be pointed out that the connection

1241
00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:19,430
between BMAA and Alzheimer's disease is

1242
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:23,030
far from certain dr. Paul Cox's group

1243
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:25,490
has not made any definite connection in

1244
00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:27,770
their report and other experts in the

1245
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:29,750
field have expressed their reservations

1246
00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:32,960
the Alzheimer's BMA a

1247
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:35,510
was first proposed by Cox and colleagues

1248
00:55:40,329 --> 00:55:37,609
including the author and famous

1249
00:55:43,420 --> 00:55:40,339
neurologist dr. Oliver Sacks when they

1250
00:55:46,359 --> 00:55:43,430
found BMAA in the brains of Canadian and

1251
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:46,369
Guam Alzheimer's patients but not in

1252
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,910
control patients this hypothesis has

1253
00:55:53,290 --> 00:55:51,920
been further strengthened with recent

1254
00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:53,300
findings from scientists at the

1255
00:55:58,510 --> 00:55:56,030
University of Miami where BMAA was

1256
00:56:02,160 --> 00:55:58,520
detected in the brain and spinal cords

1257
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:02,170
of ALS patients or Lou Gehrig's disease

1258
00:56:07,690 --> 00:56:05,570
similarly veterans of the Gulf War have

1259
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:07,700
increased incidences of Lou Gehrig's

1260
00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:10,010
disease at a younger age than the rest

1261
00:56:15,790 --> 00:56:13,070
of the population studies into the

1262
00:56:18,820 --> 00:56:15,800
causes included analyses of the deserts

1263
00:56:21,329 --> 00:56:18,830
of Qatar and showed that fifty six

1264
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:21,339
percent of the area consisted of

1265
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:23,810
cyanobacterial crusts and mats which

1266
00:56:31,630 --> 00:56:28,400
contained BMAA further an elegant Google

1267
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:31,640
Maps epidemiological study of a cluster

1268
00:56:35,980 --> 00:56:33,290
of Lou Gehrig's patients in New

1269
00:56:38,410 --> 00:56:35,990
Hampshire revealed that many had recited

1270
00:56:40,839 --> 00:56:38,420
by water bodies which had been subject

1271
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:40,849
to frequent algal blooms now although

1272
00:56:46,750 --> 00:56:44,330
the Alzheimer's BMAA Lou Gehrig's

1273
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:46,760
hypothesis is not yet proven the

1274
00:56:52,050 --> 00:56:49,130
evidence is compelling enough for me to

1275
00:56:54,339 --> 00:56:52,060
think twice before I consume spirulina

1276
00:56:57,220 --> 00:56:54,349
especially when one grower has the

1277
00:56:59,530 --> 00:56:57,230
following listed as side effects slight

1278
00:57:02,320 --> 00:56:59,540
fever due to the body's need to burn the

1279
00:57:05,410 --> 00:57:02,330
extra protein from spirulina slight

1280
00:57:08,820 --> 00:57:05,420
dizziness if this occurs take less of

1281
00:57:12,460 --> 00:57:08,830
the product first and constipation

1282
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:12,470
stomach ache skin itch or slight body

1283
00:57:18,550 --> 00:57:15,530
rash people who have food poisoning from

1284
00:57:21,420 --> 00:57:18,560
consuming contaminated shellfish often

1285
00:57:24,370 --> 00:57:21,430
suffer symptoms such as dizziness nausea

1286
00:57:27,250 --> 00:57:24,380
and memory loss after consuming

1287
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:27,260
contaminated material these are pretty

1288
00:57:32,349 --> 00:57:29,570
similar symptoms to what we see as the

1289
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:32,359
side effects for spirulina correlation

1290
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:34,310
does not equal causation but the

1291
00:57:39,250 --> 00:57:36,250
similarities are interesting nonetheless

1292
00:57:41,380 --> 00:57:39,260
for more information and references from

1293
00:57:44,109 --> 00:57:41,390
today's story please head to the

1294
00:57:46,070 --> 00:57:44,119
sceptics owners blog at skeptic zone

1295
00:57:48,140 --> 00:57:46,080
wordpress com

1296
00:58:00,500 --> 00:57:48,150
and until next time this has been dr.

1297
00:58:11,300 --> 00:58:00,510
rachey reports join us now for drinking

1298
00:58:13,340 --> 00:58:11,310
skeptically in the think tank this is

1299
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:13,350
Stefan music really loud I which one the

1300
00:58:21,770 --> 00:58:15,570
other bag dude that's our agreement sort

1301
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:21,780
of our step and we love your music what

1302
00:58:27,170 --> 00:58:25,710
a great theme song that is thank you for

1303
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:27,180
riding with the theme song for the think

1304
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:28,650
tanks definitely it was no problem at

1305
00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:30,810
all and thank you for being here in the

1306
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:32,940
thing dang it takes for having me sad to

1307
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:35,280
me it is it's why you're here and such a

1308
00:58:40,460 --> 00:58:37,260
big group as well we have about 14

1309
00:58:42,830 --> 00:58:40,470
people in each other what feels like 40

1310
00:58:45,110 --> 00:58:42,840
you joining Stefan joining Stephanie

1311
00:58:47,300 --> 00:58:45,120
assessments of course dr. AG hi dr. a

1312
00:58:50,330 --> 00:58:47,310
team hi dr. Richard how are you dr. rich

1313
00:58:54,980 --> 00:58:50,340
and I like that dr. Iran hello professor

1314
00:58:57,230 --> 00:58:54,990
richard you're being upgraded I am we

1315
00:59:04,520 --> 00:58:57,240
have what's another great title we have

1316
00:59:06,290 --> 00:59:04,530
a name Diana time hi wait Sarah today we

1317
00:59:07,610 --> 00:59:06,300
have a drunken mad men whose just

1318
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:07,620
wandered off so the Most Reverend

1319
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:09,450
drunken lat minh thank you very the most

1320
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:12,210
reverent drunken madman the most rebel

1321
00:59:18,890 --> 00:59:14,730
angel and Joe what are you chief chief

1322
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:18,900
Joe chief not each other at any moment

1323
00:59:24,740 --> 00:59:22,290
now of course Dave the happy singer will

1324
00:59:26,930 --> 00:59:24,750
be joining us we're just waiting for him

1325
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:26,940
to arrive and I might have to slip away

1326
00:59:30,170 --> 00:59:28,530
and actually sign him into the tub but

1327
00:59:32,270 --> 00:59:30,180
let's get stuck straight into the think

1328
00:59:33,380 --> 00:59:32,280
tank while we're waiting for David we're

1329
00:59:34,910 --> 00:59:33,390
going to get to a very important issue

1330
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:34,920
in a moment concerning our dear friend

1331
00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:38,490
dr. H E but Joe I noticed you have come

1332
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:41,160
well prepared tonight with pages of

1333
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:45,810
highlighted text come on pages upon

1334
00:59:49,350 --> 00:59:47,290
pages pages of homepage

1335
00:59:51,930 --> 00:59:49,360
oh I've just been doing my usual news

1336
00:59:54,270 --> 00:59:51,940
scanning um I think it was the last

1337
00:59:56,460 --> 00:59:54,280
thing tank when um we sort of we were

1338
00:59:59,790 --> 00:59:56,470
just starting to hear about a couple in

1339
01:00:05,760 --> 00:59:59,800
Pakistan who had killed their four month

1340
01:00:07,070 --> 01:00:05,770
old baby girl because a faith healer had

1341
01:00:09,870 --> 01:00:07,080
told them that it will make them wealthy

1342
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:09,880
we talked about that very briefly we

1343
01:00:12,750 --> 01:00:11,440
haven't we didn't we didn't really hear

1344
01:00:14,970 --> 01:00:12,760
much about it all and in fact we don't

1345
01:00:19,290 --> 01:00:14,980
really know much more about it now but I

1346
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:19,300
came across an article today from a

1347
01:00:24,990 --> 01:00:22,810
newspaper in the region talking about

1348
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:25,000
how these faith healers in Pakistan are

1349
01:00:28,860 --> 01:00:27,000
becoming more and more prominent

1350
01:00:31,980 --> 01:00:28,870
apparently a lot of them have been

1351
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:31,990
around for hundreds of years as part of

1352
01:00:36,420 --> 01:00:34,240
the religion in in the region but that

1353
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:36,430
now there are which is kind of amusing

1354
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:41,530
fake faith healers who are take a fake

1355
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:45,370
faith hill which is opposing the real

1356
01:00:52,450 --> 01:00:48,010
ones I'm to say they take money from

1357
01:01:07,310 --> 01:01:04,790
hello this is a riot in case anyone are

1358
01:01:09,410 --> 01:01:07,320
you doing baby awesome who's this guy

1359
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:09,420
that just turned up never said to the

1360
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:13,290
big father I think he's going to have

1361
01:01:17,420 --> 01:01:15,810
something to say hello guys have you not

1362
01:01:20,540 --> 01:01:17,430
met Jasmine this is our purple Faye from

1363
01:01:22,610 --> 01:01:20,550
Twitter hello Dave why don't you take it

1364
01:01:25,610 --> 01:01:22,620
up you up there next to a doctor Iran

1365
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:25,620
and we're just listening to it Joan oh

1366
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:32,130
you were calling already yes actually

1367
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:34,020
just before we kick in I've got a little

1368
01:01:39,980 --> 01:01:36,690
present for them to mark the return of

1369
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:39,990
Dave the hab using a big pharma for you

1370
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:43,110
from ceramics are you kidding yeah oh

1371
01:01:49,940 --> 01:01:48,090
wow I like you I recently Amy the time

1372
01:01:53,810 --> 01:01:49,950
saves lives and you've got one with an a

1373
01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:53,820
is sort of a oh yeah it isn't there you

1374
01:01:59,300 --> 01:01:56,520
go oh wow thank you so great to have

1375
01:02:01,100 --> 01:01:59,310
Dave back Joe where were we yes so

1376
01:02:03,530 --> 01:02:01,110
anyway apparently these faith healers

1377
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:03,540
who in Pakistan are called peers they

1378
01:02:08,660 --> 01:02:06,330
are becoming more and more prominent and

1379
01:02:10,460 --> 01:02:08,670
are they take advantage of the

1380
01:02:13,850 --> 01:02:10,470
population who up in many areas are

1381
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:13,860
illiterate and and very poor and the

1382
01:02:18,380 --> 01:02:15,450
particular case that they they talked

1383
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:18,390
about here was of a young man who who as

1384
01:02:23,930 --> 01:02:22,290
a child had epilepsy and his family took

1385
01:02:26,450 --> 01:02:23,940
him to see various faith healers and

1386
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:26,460
he's actually all right he hasn't died

1387
01:02:31,070 --> 01:02:28,770
nothing has happened to him as yet but

1388
01:02:33,650 --> 01:02:31,080
at the behest of this faith healer he

1389
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:33,660
was ordered to to go back to his village

1390
01:02:39,530 --> 01:02:35,850
and poise parents to bury him in a grave

1391
01:02:41,420 --> 01:02:39,540
for 41 hours and after the 41 hours the

1392
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:41,430
parents were to dig a little hole in the

1393
01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:44,010
ground put a blade of grass in and if

1394
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:45,630
the blade of grass move they should then

1395
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:48,090
dig him up again oh so they all SAT

1396
01:02:52,730 --> 01:02:50,970
around the grave for 41 hours and then

1397
01:02:54,890 --> 01:02:52,740
pop the blade of grass in the blade of

1398
01:02:57,980 --> 01:02:54,900
grass moved and they dug him up again

1399
01:03:00,500 --> 01:02:57,990
thankfully thankfully thankfully he was

1400
01:03:04,190 --> 01:03:00,510
fine but apparently this is really a

1401
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,200
huge problem in these areas and pretty

1402
01:03:09,590 --> 01:03:06,240
creative you want to give him that it's

1403
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:09,600
really it's a pretty normal idea but you

1404
01:03:13,610 --> 01:03:10,770
know this is the sort of situation

1405
01:03:16,940 --> 01:03:13,620
according to the family the sky is now

1406
01:03:20,690 --> 01:03:16,950
fine he's no longer having fits but you

1407
01:03:23,660 --> 01:03:20,700
know but it sounds like a sort of

1408
01:03:25,850 --> 01:03:23,670
situation where perhaps it's a someone

1409
01:03:28,550 --> 01:03:25,860
who maybe had a childhood epilepsy and

1410
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:28,560
as they've gotten older it's subsided

1411
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:31,410
but they are seeing that he's now been

1412
01:03:36,140 --> 01:03:34,050
to the faith healer and I think it's

1413
01:03:37,700 --> 01:03:36,150
anything to do with being buried alive I

1414
01:03:40,940 --> 01:03:37,710
don't do you want anything to do with

1415
01:03:43,250 --> 01:03:40,950
that I'd have a fit if I was buried

1416
01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:43,260
alive for 40 whatever everyone again

1417
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:45,510
that's visual these are in these

1418
01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:47,130
populations where people have no money

1419
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:50,670
and no access to healthcare they are so

1420
01:03:54,980 --> 01:03:53,610
many people don't this they are they're

1421
01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:54,990
not actually necessarily taking money

1422
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:58,290
from them this kid went to work for this

1423
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:00,240
mountain and a lot of them are using

1424
01:04:04,460 --> 01:04:02,850
these people as sort of as labor they

1425
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:04,470
get thousands of followers and they

1426
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:06,330
actually provide them with free labor or

1427
01:04:12,050 --> 01:04:10,170
twin boys all sorts that's uh that's a

1428
01:04:14,900 --> 01:04:12,060
quite a scary story to start us off with

1429
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:14,910
Joe gee thanks for that yes yes I saw

1430
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:16,410
will get to write in your dad will get

1431
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:20,160
to you if I'm sorry but let's let's cut

1432
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:21,540
to the chase because I know a lot of our

1433
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:23,610
listeners and who heaven knows what the

1434
01:04:27,110 --> 01:04:25,530
story will be when this by the time the

1435
01:04:30,350 --> 01:04:27,120
show comes out because we're recording

1436
01:04:34,260 --> 01:04:30,360
this on Wednesday and dr. rate you would

1437
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:34,270
you like to summarize the story for us

1438
01:04:38,690 --> 01:04:36,970
look it's really hard to summarize it

1439
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:38,700
because I've spent the last three days

1440
01:04:47,070 --> 01:04:44,890
getting abused insulted had my

1441
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:47,080
qualifications questioned in public

1442
01:04:53,310 --> 01:04:50,370
forums all over the internet because of

1443
01:04:56,430 --> 01:04:53,320
what is known as the Twitter oskins

1444
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:56,440
which is the shorty awards now I'd never

1445
01:05:01,800 --> 01:04:59,680
heard of the shorty awards until about

1446
01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:01,810
three weeks ago anybody heard of the

1447
01:05:06,270 --> 01:05:03,760
shorty live ID followed them last year

1448
01:05:08,130 --> 01:05:06,280
yeah this is the 2nd annual one so it is

1449
01:05:09,740 --> 01:05:08,140
new last year across Twitter was a lot

1450
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:09,750
smaller this time last year yeah yeah

1451
01:05:13,230 --> 01:05:12,130
this is the second time it's real but

1452
01:05:17,690 --> 01:05:13,240
it's been a lot more interesting this

1453
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:17,700
time first I heard of it was somebody

1454
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:21,250
voted me about two weeks ago and I so I

1455
01:05:24,270 --> 01:05:22,690
went had a look at the website because I

1456
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:24,280
thought what is this and then I saw that

1457
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:28,210
a natural health person by the name of

1458
01:05:33,950 --> 01:05:30,010
Mike Adams who runs the website natural

1459
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:33,960
news and a guy by the name of dr.

1460
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:36,730
Majora's Joe McCollough sorry I've

1461
01:05:41,490 --> 01:05:39,970
blocked him out they were coming in the

1462
01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:41,500
first see second place of the health

1463
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:44,310
category and so I'm tweeted this and a

1464
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:46,690
few people and some of them are here and

1465
01:05:51,570 --> 01:05:48,130
one of them is sitting right other than

1466
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:51,580
me boy drunken madman Jason Brown

1467
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:54,640
decided this couldn't happen that these

1468
01:06:01,680 --> 01:05:59,200
two old men people should not win the

1469
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:01,690
health category in the shorties and so

1470
01:06:05,490 --> 01:06:03,490
he went about formulating a campaign and

1471
01:06:07,740 --> 01:06:05,500
maybe you want to take up from here

1472
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:07,750
doing well it was pretty simple I just

1473
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:09,610
tweeted back to dr. HC after she

1474
01:06:13,590 --> 01:06:11,170
mentioned these two guys are winning and

1475
01:06:15,690 --> 01:06:13,600
said okay we can fix that and

1476
01:06:17,580 --> 01:06:15,700
immediately voted and then immediately

1477
01:06:19,020 --> 01:06:17,590
asked my followers to vote and then some

1478
01:06:21,030 --> 01:06:19,030
of my followers after their followers to

1479
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:21,040
vote and some of their followers ask

1480
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:22,960
their followers to vote and before too

1481
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:25,330
long dr. rate she was in the lead with a

1482
01:06:32,820 --> 01:06:27,280
healthy margin of about 400 votes yeah I

1483
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:35,560
Martin timbale of chromic who runs

1484
01:06:40,090 --> 01:06:37,760
what's the harm but no it wasn't nothing

1485
01:06:43,180 --> 01:06:40,100
virus tournament badass drama phil plait

1486
01:06:45,940 --> 01:06:43,190
i'm kiza my own eyes of course piggy

1487
01:06:48,940 --> 01:06:45,950
yeah and we just went well but even

1488
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:48,950
funnier than what happened after Rachel

1489
01:06:55,260 --> 01:06:51,530
went to off number 10 hilarity ensued

1490
01:06:58,300 --> 01:06:55,270
yeah maybe you guys wanna talk about it

1491
01:07:01,780 --> 01:06:58,310
come on I don't want to say anything

1492
01:07:04,090 --> 01:07:01,790
libelous utility best huh well no I can

1493
01:07:07,150 --> 01:07:04,100
understand I can understand well Mike

1494
01:07:09,940 --> 01:07:07,160
Adams suddenly found himself without any

1495
01:07:12,820 --> 01:07:09,950
votes at all because his nominations

1496
01:07:14,260 --> 01:07:12,830
were all stripped from him oh I think we

1497
01:07:16,030 --> 01:07:14,270
should it's important to point out that

1498
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:16,040
this has nothing to do with ratio with

1499
01:07:19,660 --> 01:07:18,410
anybody else this is a shorty yeah well

1500
01:07:22,420 --> 01:07:19,670
the people who organized the shorty

1501
01:07:24,070 --> 01:07:22,430
awards disqualified him because of a lot

1502
01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:24,080
of his votes came from what they

1503
01:07:27,900 --> 01:07:25,910
considered to be invalid accounts family

1504
01:07:30,250 --> 01:07:27,910
because they were accounts created

1505
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:30,260
especially for the purpose faceplate it

1506
01:07:34,420 --> 01:07:32,810
was big just created and then made one

1507
01:07:35,950 --> 01:07:34,430
tweet and that's it and there's no

1508
01:07:38,020 --> 01:07:35,960
servia to invalidate the bites they

1509
01:07:39,940 --> 01:07:38,030
actually disqualified him because there

1510
01:07:41,590 --> 01:07:39,950
because a lot too large a proportion of

1511
01:07:43,930 --> 01:07:41,600
his total there was a really large

1512
01:07:46,060 --> 01:07:43,940
proportion for Adams and they weren't

1513
01:07:47,710 --> 01:07:46,070
just making one tweet for Adams voting

1514
01:07:51,580 --> 01:07:47,720
for him they were making tweets voting

1515
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:51,590
for Ritchie in quackery so yeah yeah i

1516
01:07:55,540 --> 01:07:53,330
thought i must say they were also making

1517
01:07:57,580 --> 01:07:55,550
votes for me in health and then they

1518
01:07:59,770 --> 01:07:57,590
condemned i'm making the because our an

1519
01:08:02,770 --> 01:07:59,780
offensive thing which still is a

1520
01:08:05,170 --> 01:08:02,780
legitimate vote it was really it kind of

1521
01:08:07,060 --> 01:08:05,180
like it's kind of like when bronwyn

1522
01:08:09,010 --> 01:08:07,070
hancock went and signed to stop the AVM

1523
01:08:10,570 --> 01:08:09,020
petition and said i don't agree with

1524
01:08:12,670 --> 01:08:10,580
this and i don't think we should have

1525
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:12,680
his petition but she signed the petition

1526
01:08:16,289 --> 01:08:14,720
she's still signed it that counts as a

1527
01:08:17,939 --> 01:08:16,299
you know

1528
01:08:27,329 --> 01:08:17,949
I believe she signed the petition

1529
01:08:30,539 --> 01:08:27,339
against a but it's been a little bit

1530
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:30,549
like that this is this that's the events

1531
01:08:33,649 --> 01:08:32,409
unfolded in the last couple of days it's

1532
01:08:36,260 --> 01:08:33,659
been a bit like that hasn't it been

1533
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:36,270
amazing and it all got a bit hysterical

1534
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:39,369
amazing posts fine by Adams and Nicole

1535
01:08:42,629 --> 01:08:40,960
ago about how much they don't care about

1536
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:42,639
this award and then crying their eyes

1537
01:08:47,299 --> 01:08:45,130
out and threat me everything to sue the

1538
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:47,309
surety of calling to Allah knows a

1539
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:51,279
little-known skeptics out there know

1540
01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:53,290
that I mean that's really it the gist of

1541
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:55,329
it really is yeah um and this all

1542
01:09:01,589 --> 01:08:57,759
resulted in yesterday Nicole are posting

1543
01:09:04,039 --> 01:09:01,599
on his Facebook page a really nasty post

1544
01:09:07,140 --> 01:09:04,049
saying that I was a little-known

1545
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:07,150
overweight non-physician from Australia

1546
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:10,329
she'll I was also a shield is also a big

1547
01:09:17,490 --> 01:09:13,210
pharma I've got check cleared

1548
01:09:18,990 --> 01:09:17,500
every are you put on the post before a

1549
01:09:21,180 --> 01:09:19,000
Christmas but i don't know maybe go

1550
01:09:23,220 --> 01:09:21,190
astray it's the big farmer the man we

1551
01:09:30,419 --> 01:09:23,230
blame for all this yeah I said if I

1552
01:09:32,039 --> 01:09:30,429
carry a crow from my County but um the

1553
01:09:35,519 --> 01:09:32,049
interesting thing about that was was

1554
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:35,529
eventually his followers started turning

1555
01:09:39,930 --> 01:09:38,290
on him because of that in particular

1556
01:09:42,059 --> 01:09:39,940
because he made the comment about weight

1557
01:09:44,939 --> 01:09:42,069
because he's got sixty three thousand

1558
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:44,949
fans on Facebook and I betcha some of

1559
01:09:48,959 --> 01:09:46,690
the facility those chances are i

1560
01:09:50,490 --> 01:09:48,969
promises am I trying to lose weight I've

1561
01:09:52,979 --> 01:09:50,500
seen some of their profile pictures

1562
01:09:55,919 --> 01:09:52,989
right and so they weren't particularly

1563
01:09:58,020 --> 01:09:55,929
impressed with what he wrote and said

1564
01:09:59,760 --> 01:09:58,030
and and there was a hilarious one that

1565
01:10:02,160 --> 01:09:59,770
you came across I think where someone

1566
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:02,170
suggested that someone had hacked into

1567
01:10:05,970 --> 01:10:04,239
his computer all that was brilliant yeah

1568
01:10:07,950 --> 01:10:05,980
my cavender's computer had been hacked

1569
01:10:11,100 --> 01:10:07,960
clearly because this was so of character

1570
01:10:12,209 --> 01:10:11,110
for my god it must have been hacking so

1571
01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:12,219
you know immediately

1572
01:10:16,140 --> 01:10:13,510
everybody disturb people up in the

1573
01:10:17,879 --> 01:10:16,150
meeting like you do yeah he and the

1574
01:10:24,689 --> 01:10:17,889
other McCollough of sitting in a room

1575
01:10:25,770 --> 01:10:24,699
somewhere going okay we've got it we're

1576
01:10:29,279 --> 01:10:25,780
going to tell her thanks to Steve

1577
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:29,289
novella rebecca watson to iraq at

1578
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:32,530
respected on spec for insolence pv myers

1579
01:10:41,969 --> 01:10:35,440
Phil Plait felony it wasn't yet the

1580
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:41,979
international dr AG appreciation a guy

1581
01:10:45,359 --> 01:10:44,050
by the name of HJ and I can't remember

1582
01:10:49,589 --> 01:10:45,369
the name of his blog now because it's

1583
01:10:51,419 --> 01:10:49,599
though he had happy pancakes or

1584
01:10:52,979 --> 01:10:51,429
something yeah yeah do you have a heavy

1585
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:52,989
tanks or something have you seen you

1586
01:10:58,770 --> 01:10:54,610
ever seen Mick oldest homeopathic cure

1587
01:11:00,359 --> 01:10:58,780
for baldness I just don't know who this

1588
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:00,369
guy is you know until last week I

1589
01:11:08,580 --> 01:11:01,690
thought I really got a mythical half

1590
01:11:11,250 --> 01:11:08,590
drink half fish agree no I put in that

1591
01:11:13,140 --> 01:11:11,260
by strong Marjorie well this one at

1592
01:11:14,850 --> 01:11:13,150
least if Allah winsome by the time this

1593
01:11:17,089 --> 01:11:14,860
show comes out who knows what the story

1594
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:17,099
will be because mikkola in the last

1595
01:11:22,620 --> 01:11:19,840
three or four hours as we record

1596
01:11:25,319 --> 01:11:22,630
suddenly his votes left by over a

1597
01:11:27,810 --> 01:11:25,329
thousand they doubled actually we had

1598
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:27,820
about 600 and I went to 1300 days then

1599
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:30,010
up to 2,600 something last time I

1600
01:11:33,959 --> 01:11:32,650
checked which really very latest just as

1601
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:33,969
really caught that I heard on twitter is

1602
01:11:37,770 --> 01:11:35,199
that this flood of votes room has

1603
01:11:38,719 --> 01:11:37,780
suddenly slowed down and we've got a

1604
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:38,729
couple of people who are kind of

1605
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:40,449
downloading the data from Twitter

1606
01:11:43,319 --> 01:11:41,920
through their search api so that they

1607
01:11:44,759 --> 01:11:43,329
can actually all the our selves without

1608
01:11:46,979 --> 01:11:44,769
relying on Shorty's water eventually

1609
01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:46,989
trace this by yourself to a certain

1610
01:11:50,290 --> 01:11:48,110
extent and

1611
01:11:51,820 --> 01:11:50,300
the first impressions are that there are

1612
01:11:53,109 --> 01:11:51,830
a lot of invalid votes but you know

1613
01:11:55,570 --> 01:11:53,119
let's get the data in and make sure that

1614
01:11:57,790 --> 01:11:55,580
we're writing message we're putting out

1615
01:11:59,979 --> 01:11:57,800
is listeners if you still have the

1616
01:12:02,560 --> 01:11:59,989
opportunity only if you have a valid

1617
01:12:04,930 --> 01:12:02,570
Twitter account and only if you really

1618
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:04,940
feel you want to you can nominate dr. H

1619
01:12:10,629 --> 01:12:07,250
E and help I'll vote it up to AG or

1620
01:12:12,430 --> 01:12:10,639
whatever it is I should all baby I have

1621
01:12:13,930 --> 01:12:12,440
just a daytime job soon I don't have a

1622
01:12:17,290 --> 01:12:13,940
lot of munching distance and this but

1623
01:12:21,490 --> 01:12:17,300
perhaps you could use your big farmer

1624
01:12:23,290 --> 01:12:21,500
money to fund a big campaign to do you

1625
01:12:24,970 --> 01:12:23,300
know what to win this look do you know

1626
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:24,980
who it is that really you know

1627
01:12:29,050 --> 01:12:26,719
prestigious award you know there are any

1628
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:29,060
of this I get money from a multivitamin

1629
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:33,650
company and I'm not kidding you I do not

1630
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:35,510
get money from Big Pharma but i do get

1631
01:12:40,419 --> 01:12:38,480
money from a health food company within

1632
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:40,429
it there you go whatever happens I mean

1633
01:12:44,530 --> 01:12:42,530
this this could go any way at the moment

1634
01:12:47,229 --> 01:12:44,540
I mean things are literally on for Moses

1635
01:12:49,180 --> 01:12:47,239
feet but I mean it it is just a Twitter

1636
01:12:50,649 --> 01:12:49,190
popularity concert yeah but I think the

1637
01:12:52,629 --> 01:12:50,659
most of the most amusing thing to take

1638
01:12:54,459 --> 01:12:52,639
away is but for me at least is how

1639
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:54,469
rappelled Mike Adams and children like

1640
01:12:58,140 --> 01:12:56,810
cholera beyond seriously yes I mean

1641
01:13:01,959 --> 01:12:58,150
they've been posting the most

1642
01:13:03,939 --> 01:13:01,969
unbelievable vitriol and bowel don't

1643
01:13:07,660 --> 01:13:03,949
like Adams rant about skeptics is a

1644
01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:07,670
classic he's unbelievable the last days

1645
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:09,710
that random of Mike Adams and the

1646
01:13:13,330 --> 01:13:12,050
subsequent blogs that came out of it

1647
01:13:15,250 --> 01:13:13,340
have provided me with some of the best

1648
01:13:18,370 --> 01:13:15,260
the greatest amusement I've had in days

1649
01:13:20,050 --> 01:13:18,380
Steve Allen just came upon an alright as

1650
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:20,060
well and also please II but but I agree

1651
01:13:23,290 --> 01:13:21,679
with you and and the thing that I find

1652
01:13:25,660 --> 01:13:23,300
really interesting about that Dave is

1653
01:13:29,140 --> 01:13:25,670
that he insists that we're just a bunch

1654
01:13:31,870 --> 01:13:29,150
of unknown skeptics yes we have rattled

1655
01:13:34,689 --> 01:13:31,880
the cage of Joe mikkola and Mike Adams

1656
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:34,699
big old men being the ultimate big homie

1657
01:13:41,169 --> 01:13:37,520
homie a huge amounts of money the car me

1658
01:13:43,930 --> 01:13:41,179
up yeah brought into huge amounts of

1659
01:13:45,609 --> 01:13:43,940
money and it's just been a bunch of us

1660
01:13:47,410 --> 01:13:45,619
that have got together and we've managed

1661
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:47,420
to make them so angry that their hand

1662
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:49,760
flapping and foot stamping and writing

1663
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:51,440
posts as fast as I possibly can

1664
01:13:56,410 --> 01:13:53,600
McCullers emailed two million

1665
01:14:00,400 --> 01:13:56,420
in the last day yeah according to 40

1666
01:14:01,450 --> 01:14:00,410
years yeah yeah it's called stomach well

1667
01:14:03,130 --> 01:14:01,460
actually if people want to know a little

1668
01:14:07,300 --> 01:14:03,140
bit more about the background or from

1669
01:14:09,340 --> 01:14:07,310
the company that is my cat emissive you

1670
01:14:11,530 --> 01:14:09,350
know it's true the publishing yeah truth

1671
01:14:13,450 --> 01:14:11,540
publishing apparently I haven't hundreds

1672
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:13,460
Emperor but it's a that's not really

1673
01:14:18,670 --> 01:14:17,090
saying is it yeah it is it's a company

1674
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:18,680
registered in China headquartered in

1675
01:14:24,340 --> 01:14:22,330
Ecuador which does mass email marketing

1676
01:14:28,030 --> 01:14:24,350
another word for which is spam

1677
01:14:29,620 --> 01:14:28,040
essentially he's kind of made it

1678
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:29,630
legitimate because these days you know

1679
01:14:34,150 --> 01:14:31,250
that the filthy spam stuff gets you off

1680
01:14:36,970 --> 01:14:34,160
the internet pretty quick but um yeah is

1681
01:14:39,670 --> 01:14:36,980
big business is really in sending stuff

1682
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:39,680
out to punters and is it l street costa

1683
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:42,050
rica he's in ecuador he doesn't know

1684
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:44,090
where every article on his site has a

1685
01:14:46,780 --> 01:14:45,290
little link at the bottom if you'd like

1686
01:14:49,450 --> 01:14:46,790
to continue reading this article please

1687
01:14:53,230 --> 01:14:49,460
insert your email every single one so

1688
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:53,240
I'm it's a little and doesn't he doesn't

1689
01:14:56,260 --> 01:14:54,560
it's one of his other companies have

1690
01:14:58,300 --> 01:14:56,270
something to do with big pharma as well

1691
01:15:00,370 --> 01:14:58,310
cuz some yes one of his marketing

1692
01:15:03,130 --> 01:15:00,380
companies is fully legitimate actually

1693
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:03,140
and has been used by let me think where

1694
01:15:08,860 --> 01:15:06,530
Bayer I think I think it is the services

1695
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:08,870
like the party isn't really get along

1696
01:15:13,060 --> 01:15:11,840
yeah thing you know that's from a blog

1697
01:15:15,190 --> 01:15:13,070
post that's going to be double-checked

1698
01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:15,200
but that seems to be the long and short

1699
01:15:18,430 --> 01:15:16,880
event well I saw someone else that

1700
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:18,440
blogged about what you blogged about as

1701
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:20,960
well so what's so interesting about this

1702
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:22,370
is that this little bunch of skeptics

1703
01:15:26,410 --> 01:15:24,050
have dug all this stuff up and and I've

1704
01:15:28,810 --> 01:15:26,420
had so many people say they've never

1705
01:15:30,430 --> 01:15:28,820
heard of him as you said Dave and also

1706
01:15:32,980 --> 01:15:30,440
no one's ever heard of me and now they

1707
01:15:34,930 --> 01:15:32,990
have and so the thing is and your tummy

1708
01:15:37,900 --> 01:15:34,940
on your skeptics book of poop just go on

1709
01:15:40,210 --> 01:15:37,910
out of control but it's not exactly the

1710
01:15:43,090 --> 01:15:40,220
Streisand really with mccollough and

1711
01:15:46,570 --> 01:15:43,100
Adam visit but it oh it's a little bit

1712
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:46,580
screaming there's a lot of skepticism

1713
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:49,130
he was I knew who McCullough was I

1714
01:15:53,020 --> 01:15:51,290
didn't know my cabins was now I know who

1715
01:16:00,730 --> 01:15:53,030
my talent is and I'm going to get lots

1716
01:16:03,610 --> 01:16:00,740
of love him really interesting in all

1717
01:16:06,030 --> 01:16:03,620
their rats and all their followers are

1718
01:16:09,370 --> 01:16:06,040
accusing us with exactly what they are

1719
01:16:12,340 --> 01:16:09,380
yeah a sheeple or they just believe what

1720
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:12,350
they're being told or it goes on and on

1721
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:16,880
nominating Rachel and crockery yes but

1722
01:16:20,620 --> 01:16:18,770
the other thing is only I know that a

1723
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:20,630
few of us here I haven't i've been

1724
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:21,920
taking a backseat because i don't want

1725
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:23,930
to be involved because it's been as far

1726
01:16:28,690 --> 01:16:25,970
as I'm concerned it's an entity unlike

1727
01:16:30,190 --> 01:16:28,700
what they're doing but I know a few of

1728
01:16:33,150 --> 01:16:30,200
us here have been trying to post on

1729
01:16:35,770 --> 01:16:33,160
Facebook pages and on natural news and

1730
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:35,780
what's been the result of that I've been

1731
01:16:39,610 --> 01:16:37,970
banned Hyrum and all of the skeptics

1732
01:16:41,250 --> 01:16:39,620
about the skeptics posts from the

1733
01:16:44,410 --> 01:16:41,260
natural means facebook page with deleted

1734
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:44,420
yesterday same with McCollough no

1735
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:46,850
collars wholesale canon of skeptical of

1736
01:16:50,850 --> 01:16:48,489
us yeah

1737
01:16:54,930 --> 01:16:50,860
which reminds you of an T Rexes doesn't

1738
01:16:56,819 --> 01:16:54,940
really know well that said is really

1739
01:16:59,339 --> 01:16:56,829
well I mean so many people when they are

1740
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:59,349
nominating you was a quick we were

1741
01:17:06,450 --> 01:17:01,360
saying because she pushes vaccinations

1742
01:17:09,029 --> 01:17:06,460
yeah I'm good what happens again there

1743
01:17:10,770 --> 01:17:09,039
was a really nice comment on one of pjs

1744
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:10,780
blogs today from someone who is saying

1745
01:17:14,569 --> 01:17:12,610
that there's been a lot of discussion on

1746
01:17:16,859 --> 01:17:14,579
pjs blogs and a lot of disagreement but

1747
01:17:19,109 --> 01:17:16,869
people will say I think you're wrong for

1748
01:17:22,890 --> 01:17:19,119
this reason and then cite their

1749
01:17:24,930 --> 01:17:22,900
references hello and this guy was saying

1750
01:17:26,220 --> 01:17:24,940
well I'm so glad I'm a skeptic but she's

1751
01:17:27,239 --> 01:17:26,230
come on here I can have a

1752
01:17:28,919 --> 01:17:27,249
disagreement we can have a discussion

1753
01:17:30,419 --> 01:17:28,929
about it we can agree to go away and

1754
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:30,429
look at the evidence whereas as soon as

1755
01:17:35,189 --> 01:17:32,650
you get on any of those sites and you

1756
01:17:37,259 --> 01:17:35,199
question them you your IP address is

1757
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:37,269
taken down in that city on today there's

1758
01:17:41,819 --> 01:17:39,280
no discussion at all you know and they

1759
01:17:44,129 --> 01:17:41,829
call us sheeple yeah any other ideas

1760
01:17:46,169 --> 01:17:44,139
that someone wants to put to them they

1761
01:17:49,140 --> 01:17:46,179
don't want to hear about it they tightly

1762
01:17:50,009 --> 01:17:49,150
controlled assignment okay hmm what an

1763
01:17:57,209 --> 01:17:50,019
interesting turn of events

1764
01:18:00,029 --> 01:17:57,219
congratulations dr. Reggie yeah I didn't

1765
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:00,039
mean to well we are we await the next

1766
01:18:03,330 --> 01:18:02,050
few days with great interest everybody

1767
01:18:06,509 --> 01:18:03,340
in but of course by the time this show

1768
01:18:08,009 --> 01:18:06,519
comes out in a few days will almost and

1769
01:18:13,259 --> 01:18:08,019
more yeah but there's still time to

1770
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:13,269
write baby now let's uh thank you dr.

1771
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:15,920
range wow what a story what a story

1772
01:18:20,830 --> 01:18:17,690
and now for another change of pace we

1773
01:18:23,530 --> 01:18:20,840
flip over dude Reverend dr. Iran

1774
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:23,540
whatever you are Reverend is actually

1775
01:18:29,650 --> 01:18:25,040
good for this one because i want to

1776
01:18:32,350 --> 01:18:29,660
quote Reverend Eric hill from the st.

1777
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:32,360
Peters and Paul Saints Peter and Paul

1778
01:18:39,820 --> 01:18:35,690
Catholic Church in dr. Georgia Georgia

1779
01:18:42,580 --> 01:18:39,830
in the United States he said this this

1780
01:18:44,890 --> 01:18:42,590
is from historians on CNN said given all

1781
01:18:46,540 --> 01:18:44,900
their country and people have been

1782
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:46,550
through between political upheavals

1783
01:18:52,030 --> 01:18:49,010
human rights abuses hurricanes abject

1784
01:18:54,180 --> 01:18:52,040
poverty and last week's earthquake I

1785
01:18:57,100 --> 01:18:54,190
think it's about us in two weeks ago

1786
01:18:59,470 --> 01:18:57,110
says this the patients were constantly

1787
01:19:04,150 --> 01:18:59,480
questioning their faith they would all

1788
01:19:08,740 --> 01:19:04,160
be atheists and I say well they should

1789
01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:08,750
be shouldn't they it's ridiculous that

1790
01:19:14,169 --> 01:19:11,840
they are not all of this is thrown at

1791
01:19:16,660 --> 01:19:14,179
them but the thing is he was he was

1792
01:19:18,010 --> 01:19:16,670
saying that as kind of a compliment you

1793
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:18,020
know they're not atheist because they're

1794
01:19:21,100 --> 01:19:19,489
not questioning their faith their just

1795
01:19:23,110 --> 01:19:21,110
accepting things at face value and God

1796
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:23,120
keeps throwing at them so you do

1797
01:19:29,890 --> 01:19:25,040
have to be that I know they made a deal

1798
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:29,900
with the devil was in Thomson all right

1799
01:19:35,820 --> 01:19:33,170
okay the devil team is the time so I

1800
01:19:38,290 --> 01:19:35,830
just I mean this is really suitable for

1801
01:19:40,450 --> 01:19:38,300
religious of the week on the

1802
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:40,460
geologic podcast just just taking I'm

1803
01:19:43,780 --> 01:19:42,530
limbs may be intrigued that there's a

1804
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:43,790
lot of background noise that you

1805
01:19:47,169 --> 01:19:45,290
normally don't have anything thank you

1806
01:19:48,669 --> 01:19:47,179
it's the old story would be thrown out

1807
01:19:50,530 --> 01:19:48,679
of our old room because our old room is

1808
01:19:52,150 --> 01:19:50,540
now a billiard room and we're now in

1809
01:19:54,939 --> 01:19:52,160
sort of the the back area of the

1810
01:19:58,959 --> 01:19:54,949
restaurant I think next time we'll try

1811
01:20:02,470 --> 01:19:58,969
to locate its offer two things going on

1812
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:02,480
around we could pray for less people we

1813
01:20:07,050 --> 01:20:04,880
could carry on around yeah no that's

1814
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:07,060
that's the story just amazing how people

1815
01:20:13,150 --> 01:20:10,690
see virtue in just blind faith

1816
01:20:15,220 --> 01:20:13,160
unquestioning faith in something that is

1817
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:15,230
clearly not support

1818
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:17,610
I've been watching some of the reports

1819
01:20:22,130 --> 01:20:20,880
and there was a woman on the news the

1820
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:22,140
other day who said I'm waiting for Jesus

1821
01:20:27,260 --> 01:20:26,130
to come and save me it's still writing

1822
01:20:29,900 --> 01:20:27,270
you know what the funniest thing would

1823
01:20:32,540 --> 01:20:29,910
be if she were actually rescued by the

1824
01:20:34,190 --> 01:20:32,550
guys from the Israeli Defense Forces who

1825
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:34,200
were taking people out of the rubble

1826
01:20:43,060 --> 01:20:36,930
there Holly just went down there today

1827
01:20:46,130 --> 01:20:43,070
to do touch therapy contra dances yes

1828
01:20:47,690 --> 01:20:46,140
Brian Thompson from the amateur

1829
01:20:52,610 --> 01:20:47,700
scientist Professor that he actually

1830
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:52,620
went there to find you because there are

1831
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:54,000
lots of cadavers there and he needs a

1832
01:21:05,270 --> 01:20:56,880
lot of here for his collection of two

1833
01:21:06,590 --> 01:21:05,280
phase i think around touched on

1834
01:21:09,140 --> 01:21:06,600
something really fundamental there

1835
01:21:10,610 --> 01:21:09,150
though that when you said that it all

1836
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:10,620
comes down to faith and I went for a

1837
01:21:13,940 --> 01:21:11,730
curry the other night with a young earth

1838
01:21:16,850 --> 01:21:13,950
creationist pastor who's a really really

1839
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:16,860
nice man we had a fantastic dinner and

1840
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:18,960
we talked a lot about creation evolution

1841
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:21,330
and fossils and about the historicity of

1842
01:21:24,170 --> 01:21:22,800
the Gospels and all that sort of thing

1843
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:24,180
but in the end both of us agreed it all

1844
01:21:27,290 --> 01:21:26,010
comes down to bathe and I guess one of

1845
01:21:29,150 --> 01:21:27,300
the fundamental things for me as a

1846
01:21:31,460 --> 01:21:29,160
skeptic and I know not all skeptics talk

1847
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:31,470
about religion all the time but the

1848
01:21:34,700 --> 01:21:33,120
muses skeptic it comes down to this idea

1849
01:21:37,850 --> 01:21:34,710
that faith is virtuous and I don't think

1850
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:37,860
it is I think taking things without

1851
01:21:41,570 --> 01:21:39,450
evidence is not a virtuous thing I think

1852
01:21:46,070 --> 01:21:41,580
it in many cases it's harmful at the

1853
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:46,080
best it's just pointless and but we seem

1854
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:47,760
to have this idea that faith is a

1855
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:49,530
virtual for the virtual thing and I'd

1856
01:21:52,450 --> 01:21:51,290
like to see that change

1857
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:52,460
you know that make that brings up

1858
01:21:57,070 --> 01:21:54,320
another point Dave that recently came

1859
01:21:59,020 --> 01:21:57,080
out the BBC its expose the Newsnight

1860
01:22:01,960 --> 01:21:59,030
expose of those divining rods in Iraq

1861
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:01,970
amore the people took those on face

1862
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:04,130
value Jim McCormack and I've locked

1863
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:05,570
about this the other day so you can find

1864
01:22:11,020 --> 01:22:07,040
it on my amazing blog that's been

1865
01:22:13,450 --> 01:22:11,030
visited by lots of people now um the you

1866
01:22:16,570 --> 01:22:13,460
know there's have you heard the story so

1867
01:22:18,490 --> 01:22:16,580
basically it was sold as a plastic that

1868
01:22:20,500 --> 01:22:18,500
I've been casing it looked like a gun

1869
01:22:22,900 --> 01:22:20,510
and inside and had a sort of antenna

1870
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:22,910
that would fling out its bomb detector

1871
01:22:27,670 --> 01:22:25,370
as a bomb detector an accord leading to

1872
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:27,680
a another little case where they put in

1873
01:22:31,390 --> 01:22:29,690
a card with the chicken that was

1874
01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:31,400
programmed to a specific type of

1875
01:22:37,390 --> 01:22:34,400
explosive and soldiers would carry it at

1876
01:22:39,340 --> 01:22:37,400
change that they still are and move it

1877
01:22:41,740 --> 01:22:39,350
around the cars and if the Rodney it's

1878
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:41,750
like a divining rod there was going to

1879
01:22:45,610 --> 01:22:44,000
be explosives no I saw some footage on

1880
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:45,620
the news last night which made me just

1881
01:22:51,820 --> 01:22:50,330
gasped in disgust apparently this guy

1882
01:22:54,730 --> 01:22:51,830
who stunned them for forty thousand

1883
01:22:57,070 --> 01:22:54,740
dollars right away Oh peach and Iraq

1884
01:22:59,230 --> 01:22:57,080
spent 85 million dollars on buying them

1885
01:23:01,270 --> 01:22:59,240
they said that in order to get them to

1886
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:01,280
operate the soldiers had to generate

1887
01:23:05,410 --> 01:23:03,050
static electricity so they had to walk

1888
01:23:08,830 --> 01:23:05,420
up and down on the ground so they are

1889
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:08,840
standing at a checkpoint in Iraq with

1890
01:23:12,820 --> 01:23:10,610
this stupid thing with plastic with a

1891
01:23:15,790 --> 01:23:12,830
metal rod stampin up and down to

1892
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:18,710
everyone has to look at this because

1893
01:23:25,730 --> 01:23:20,370
when you see the news not report you

1894
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:25,740
will not believe how gullible a jackal I

1895
01:23:31,220 --> 01:23:28,800
just comprehend how any government would

1896
01:23:35,300 --> 01:23:31,230
invest that amount of money in something

1897
01:23:37,250 --> 01:23:35,310
like that without having have you read

1898
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:37,260
the men who stare at goats oh I know I

1899
01:23:43,550 --> 01:23:41,250
know funnily enough that was what it was

1900
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:43,560
Andy Randy asked a very good question

1901
01:23:47,630 --> 01:23:45,450
which of course was late will will be

1902
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:47,640
left forever unanswered but the general

1903
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:49,410
the Iraqi general was actually

1904
01:23:57,670 --> 01:23:52,800
responsible for the 485 million dollar

1905
01:24:01,070 --> 01:23:57,680
expense there he is responsible for

1906
01:24:04,250 --> 01:24:01,080
buying it and for distributing it and he

1907
01:24:06,620 --> 01:24:04,260
said when he was asked about the any

1908
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:06,630
evidence for that this works he said I

1909
01:24:11,930 --> 01:24:08,730
know more I know more about bombs than

1910
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:11,940
any Americans do and I know that this

1911
01:24:17,810 --> 01:24:14,010
works I don't care about the evidence ha

1912
01:24:20,660 --> 01:24:17,820
and change James Randi Austin is in his

1913
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:20,670
video about this with a lucky pocketing

1914
01:24:24,980 --> 01:24:23,250
some of the difference between your by

1915
01:24:28,070 --> 01:24:24,990
price and cell phones yeah quite

1916
01:24:30,740 --> 01:24:28,080
possibly use but that's that could be

1917
01:24:34,100 --> 01:24:30,750
the answer to how come they were there

1918
01:24:36,650 --> 01:24:34,110
were another 31 debts yesterday and 75

1919
01:24:39,260 --> 01:24:36,660
injured in a car bomb blast targeting

1920
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:39,270
hotels in Baghdad because chemical ali

1921
01:24:45,260 --> 01:24:43,650
was put step in and over so there's and

1922
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:45,270
the even the Iraqi people are saying

1923
01:24:49,370 --> 01:24:47,850
that 11 by particular on the BBC report

1924
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:49,380
said that he would drive through the

1925
01:24:55,480 --> 01:24:52,530
checkpoint and sometimes he have droids

1926
01:24:57,410 --> 01:24:55,490
news in his bag and the rod would move

1927
01:24:58,859 --> 01:24:57,420
sometimes he wouldn't and the rod would

1928
01:25:00,989 --> 01:24:58,869
still move and he said I wreck

1929
01:25:03,060 --> 01:25:00,999
doesn't work I surprise I don't have

1930
01:25:10,850 --> 01:25:03,070
like at least one level of redundancy by

1931
01:25:16,770 --> 01:25:14,189
and now we're going to hear we're going

1932
01:25:22,609 --> 01:25:16,780
to hear from a man we all Revere and

1933
01:25:29,489 --> 01:25:25,109
you know this Saturday is going to be a

1934
01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:29,499
celebration of homeopathy baby still

1935
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:32,649
believe it after was easy yes Big Pharma

1936
01:25:36,779 --> 01:25:34,800
why don't you tell us all about it well

1937
01:25:40,369 --> 01:25:36,789
our you've been getting a little bit

1938
01:25:43,739 --> 01:25:40,379
annoyed with all this on me off of e

1939
01:25:45,119 --> 01:25:43,749
taking away money from my firm's and my

1940
01:25:50,100 --> 01:25:45,129
shields frankly you are not being

1941
01:25:52,969 --> 01:25:50,110
working hard enough anything and these

1942
01:25:56,189 --> 01:25:52,979
only off of us have been making billions

1943
01:26:00,600 --> 01:25:56,199
it's a multi-billion dollar industry and

1944
01:26:02,879 --> 01:26:00,610
they're just selling water so you all go

1945
01:26:08,339 --> 01:26:02,889
down the queen victoria building in the

1946
01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:08,349
center sydney on saturday will be going

1947
01:26:14,100 --> 01:26:10,510
to take an overdose on OBO pervy and

1948
01:26:16,799 --> 01:26:14,110
kill ourselves by taking too many army

1949
01:26:20,939 --> 01:26:16,809
your perfect sleeping pills and we'll

1950
01:26:25,009 --> 01:26:20,949
stick it to big homo homie oh we will we

1951
01:26:27,419 --> 01:26:25,019
or you I being our bottom 10 23 I

1952
01:26:31,459 --> 01:26:27,429
thought it worked at the time I didn't

1953
01:26:36,989 --> 01:26:31,469
know Daniel Sweden is a statue is doing

1954
01:26:37,780 --> 01:26:36,999
Washington DC yes it is a huge one in it

1955
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:37,790
that

1956
01:26:46,189 --> 01:26:44,159
oh thank you Sam you're always going

1957
01:26:47,930 --> 01:26:46,199
thank goodness for that here's the 10 23

1958
01:26:49,399 --> 01:26:47,940
campaign map by the time most of you

1959
01:26:51,649 --> 01:26:49,409
hear this I think the campaign might be

1960
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:51,659
over but in case you want to know about

1961
01:26:58,580 --> 01:26:55,770
it it's 10 20 30 40 k got all that you

1962
01:26:59,600 --> 01:26:58,590
can check it out big protest and we'll

1963
01:27:02,030 --> 01:26:59,610
be talking about that in the next

1964
01:27:06,620 --> 01:27:02,040
episode as well as some videos oh yes

1965
01:27:10,340 --> 01:27:06,630
video what a thing to what a thing take

1966
01:27:11,930 --> 01:27:10,350
a noisy one I'm on fire edit look we're

1967
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:11,940
all looking over towards the restaurant

1968
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:13,650
over there in the food calling us I

1969
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:15,690
think Mama's here mama walls were a

1970
01:27:19,580 --> 01:27:18,090
Gran's restaurant I don't know

1971
01:27:22,340 --> 01:27:19,590
about you but that thing could save me

1972
01:27:24,919 --> 01:27:22,350
hungry who's definite what are your most

1973
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:24,929
actually is part of my new miracle

1974
01:27:28,669 --> 01:27:26,370
weight loss program eat less and

1975
01:27:30,770 --> 01:27:28,679
exercise more it probably doesn't fit in

1976
01:27:33,229 --> 01:27:30,780
perfectly but I'll certainly be giving

1977
01:27:35,540 --> 01:27:33,239
me if you run to them to the register

1978
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:35,550
does that who'd probably would help nice

1979
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:37,920
more vital in my house just before we go

1980
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:40,170
stepping right you've been posting up

1981
01:27:43,490 --> 01:27:41,730
some videos on your YouTube account

1982
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:43,500
which i think our listeners would love

1983
01:27:48,110 --> 01:27:46,530
to see oh yeah why not yes sir richard

1984
01:27:50,630 --> 01:27:48,120
this actually goes back to nineteen

1985
01:27:52,370 --> 01:27:50,640
ninety-three when you we used to hang

1986
01:27:54,050 --> 01:27:52,380
out of this little piano bar at the

1987
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:54,060
Excelsior we believe and are we still

1988
01:27:56,660 --> 01:27:55,050
like have a lot of fun down there and

1989
01:27:59,209 --> 01:27:56,670
you actually bought a video camera that

1990
01:28:00,860 --> 01:27:59,219
day and we buy the video there's a lot

1991
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:00,870
of fun on it you can check out step and

1992
01:28:05,630 --> 01:28:03,330
years ago doing is is song and dance and

1993
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:05,640
hazardous the doors and a bit of pink

1994
01:28:12,979 --> 01:28:08,400
for ya what's your you charges serious

1995
01:28:14,570 --> 01:28:12,989
01 c white riu s01 serious 01 check it

1996
01:28:15,919 --> 01:28:14,580
out listeners have a good look at Stefan

1997
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:15,929
are too good laugh he hasn't changed

1998
01:28:21,860 --> 01:28:20,250
much I'm not sure thank you Stefan for

1999
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:21,870
coming along for think I'm great to have

2000
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:23,360
you on anything

2001
01:28:28,540 --> 01:28:27,170
thank you Ron Baker isn't maybe Rebecca

2002
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:28,550
thank you Dave you sing a great daddy

2003
01:28:35,740 --> 01:28:30,170
back no it's great to be back please

2004
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:35,750
visit my website at Dave you're just

2005
01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:37,489
couldn't leave lacto in protest against

2006
01:28:41,379 --> 01:28:39,920
the australians ongoing plans to censor

2007
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:41,389
the internet so go to date than happy to

2008
01:28:45,100 --> 01:28:43,610
adopt a more about that and also big

2009
01:28:48,820 --> 01:28:45,110
farmer I believe you on my own Facebook

2010
01:28:50,919 --> 01:28:48,830
are you Oh what be right damn you can

2011
01:28:57,090 --> 01:28:50,929
get me at facebook.com slash big for a

2012
01:29:03,580 --> 01:28:57,100
conspiracy Thank You Diane to come alone

2013
01:29:06,459 --> 01:29:03,590
thank you it's the drunken madman genius

2014
01:29:07,990 --> 01:29:06,469
yeah and feel your your work with this

2015
01:29:10,419 --> 01:29:08,000
current interesting issue of the

2016
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:10,429
shorties Joe good to see you again thank

2017
01:29:17,620 --> 01:29:13,280
you Richard and until next time you know

2018
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:17,630
what right now the table i forgot dr.

2019
01:29:23,020 --> 01:29:21,199
rachel i'm there now thank you dr.

2020
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:23,030
aegean what a week you've had oh yes

2021
01:29:28,930 --> 01:29:24,800
what do we keep it send me some laws

2022
01:30:02,990 --> 01:29:28,940
people until next time folks goodbye

2023
01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:08,630
ah Richard what a show thanks for being

2024
01:30:12,260 --> 01:30:10,320
part of the think tank bear step it was

2025
01:30:13,820 --> 01:30:12,270
awesome wasn't it great I can't believe

2026
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:13,830
I was actually here there's like a dream

2027
01:30:16,610 --> 01:30:15,360
come true it was a dream come true and

2028
01:30:19,100 --> 01:30:16,620
all our guests tonight and I'm

2029
01:30:21,230 --> 01:30:19,110
completely tanked you are tank tank to

2030
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:21,240
me did you ever been dunno it's very

2031
01:30:24,980 --> 01:30:23,250
like now yeah we'll look thanks for

2032
01:30:26,510 --> 01:30:24,990
having me cuz it was great yeah and what

2033
01:30:27,620 --> 01:30:26,520
another great show one another great

2034
01:30:28,940 --> 01:30:27,630
show and we've got another great show

2035
01:30:30,650 --> 01:30:28,950
lined up for next week and the week

2036
01:30:31,970 --> 01:30:30,660
after you just keep it coming don't you

2037
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:31,980
Richard we drive there's just no

2038
01:30:35,450 --> 01:30:34,050
stopping and we're very trying that's

2039
01:30:37,490 --> 01:30:35,460
what they say that's what they say in

2040
01:30:39,380 --> 01:30:37,500
the reviews no but thanks this does has

2041
01:30:41,900 --> 01:30:39,390
been great once again that this show is

2042
01:30:44,150 --> 01:30:41,910
is going as well as ever I wasn't even

2043
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:44,160
better even better even better than it

2044
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:45,930
by the week and the itunes is still

2045
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:48,330
still hanging on in there is ticking

2046
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:49,890
over very well thank you listeners and

2047
01:30:56,930 --> 01:30:52,320
we'll see you next next next week next

2048
01:31:02,930 --> 01:30:58,939
you've been listening to the skeptic

2049
01:31:06,709 --> 01:31:02,940
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